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#1 AnklePicker

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:27 AM

I know they are good for freestyle and I'm sure they help wrestlers improve individually, but at what cost? Now, in order to feel competitive with the big dogs every program/area in the country is starting an RTC and the ones who aren't are put at a disadvantage. With one comes the need to aggressively fundraise in order to grow and hopefully keep the program afloat. Can every school afford to do that? I fear this will concentrate the elite talent to only those with an RTC and I'm not sure that's best for NCAA wrestling. Thoughts?

#2 Pinnum

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:48 AM

No.
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#3 rpbobcat

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:04 AM

I hate to show my ignorance.

But what is an RTC ?



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:17 AM

No.

 

Agreed. 



#5 Pinnum

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:45 AM

I hate to show my ignorance.
But what is an RTC ?


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#6 Witherman

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 08:25 AM

No.

 

yep add me to the list that agrees with this.

 

for the sake of conversation though, what's the solution?  independent training centers? i.e. foxcatcher?



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 08:31 AM

For what it's worth, I've yet to see an accurate list of RTCs. I've asked, and gotten crickets in response. Yes, there's a list on this website, but it's not entirely accurate, unless you want to tell me that the Ohio RTC does not exist.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 08:48 AM

For what it's worth, I've yet to see an accurate list of RTCs. I've asked, and gotten crickets in response. Yes, there's a list on this website, but it's not entirely accurate, unless you want to tell me that the Ohio RTC does not exist.

 

are there any notables other than Ohio RTC that are missing for the team usa list?  I found another, but it looks like this is missing a few as well.

 

Olympic RTC List:  http://mwolverine.co...ning_Sites.html

 

teamusa.org list:   http://www.teamusa.o...Sites/Locations



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 08:53 AM

From an international standpoint yes. From an NCAA level? No. Not all RTC's can or ever be equal.

Princeton's RTC will never be equal to tOSU's or PSU's.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:13 AM

just a way to get top recruits to workout with ya team without violating rules
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#11 gowrestle

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:28 AM

Some of the guys training at RTC's have a legitimate shot to make a world team. Others are just hanging on and are struggling with their post wrestling life.

Not sure if these help the overall landscape of college wrestling but in some cases help a specific program.

RTC's help some athletes and for others, not so.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:08 AM

Some of the guys training at RTC's have a legitimate shot to make a world team. Others are just hanging on and are struggling with their post wrestling life.

Not sure if these help the overall landscape of college wrestling but in some cases help a specific program.

RTC's help some athletes and for others, not so.


RTCs are not about the Olympic hopefuls as much as the college athletes. Those athletes hanging on, as you say, are being funded by alums that wants them to improve the college athletes in the room. It is not about them bringing home medals themselves.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 03:30 AM

Increasing the gaps between the haves and the have nots. At the worst possible time with so programs struggling to survive their own athletic departments.
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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:56 AM

RTCs are not about the Olympic hopefuls as much as the college athletes. Those athletes hanging on, as you say, are being funded by alums that wants them to improve the college athletes in the room. It is not about them bringing home medals themselves.


You are probably right but isn't the real objective to facilitate the development of American athletes for international competition?

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 08:05 AM

Who is going to pay for a centralized training center?  I doubt the HWC or the NLWC is going to throw any cheddar at Colorado Springs, but they help Taylor and Gilman.



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Posted 14 August 2017 - 09:33 AM

Good for college wrestling as a whole? Definutely not. Widens the gap between the top 5% programs and everyone else.

Good for American wrestling at the international level? Definitely. Creates a market for post-collegiate talent which allows more wrestlers to compete while making a living.

#17 Pinnum

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:37 PM

You are probably right but isn't the real objective to facilitate the development of American athletes for international competition?

 

From what I have seen, very few RTC athletes engage in international competition.  So, if that is the goal, they have failed miserably.  Though, if by international competition, you mean freestyle competition, then I suppose it may meet it's goal since most of the RTC athletes do enter at least one freestyle event a year.  The typical event is the US Open.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 11:48 PM

With countries like Iran and Russia, are their top guys constantly wrestling against each other? I remember a few years back, JB was saying he was essentially done with the open because it gives guys a chance to get their hands on him. Based off that I can't imagine he trains with the top guys at his weight. I fully understand the logic here, but at some point I feel like you are handicapping yourself by not being exposed to the best available.



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 05:05 AM

Hopefully the seeding & ranking system will get wrestlers to go out and compete more






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