straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) Dake and Taylor complain to the officials because they just can't win We've seen it enough, they are frustrated because they can't get over the hump Never should they be picked to win a trials until they actually do it They complain because US wrestling has set up a complete farce of a system, and they make it worse by showing overwhelming favoritism to the incumbent. JB is very hard to root for. Gets the benefit of every call and is dirty because he is allowed to get away with it. Then gloats about it. And no one can say that the challenge tournament did not screw both Dake and Taylor in addition to the bias. But Dake has been routinely screwed against JB. As I have said repeatedly, he cannot wrestle JB under US wrestling auspices and expect a fair shake. Cox has a shot at a bronze. JB probably won't medal. Edited June 11, 2017 by straggler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmDrag14 64 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 I know some of the calls in the DT/Cox match were questionable. But you have to realize how good he actually is. Remember who DT just beat in the World Cup? Think who DT has to train with vs J'den.... The guys is elite, as is DT but I think it's time the wrestling world accepts JC for what he actually is. 1 Crotalus reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 I know some of the calls in the DT/Cox match were questionable. But you have to realize how good he actually is. Remember who DT just beat in the World Cup? Think who DT has to train with vs J'den.... The guys is elite, as is DT but I think it's time the wrestling world accepts JC for what he actually is. Cox's ceiling is to compete for the Bronze. At least my opinion. But that is still pretty good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmDrag14 64 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Cox's ceiling is to compete for the Bronze. At least my opinion. But that is still pretty good.With saudelev moving up to 97? J'den got bronze wrestling a few month in freestyle last year. J'den practices with willie Miklus. I'd like to compare j'dens wrestling room to the guys at the olympics last year. We already know how his room stacks up to DT's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,980 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Cox's ceiling is to compete for the Bronze. At least my opinion. But that is still pretty good. I disagree. Since Sadulaev is moving up, I would say a healthy Cox has as good a chance as anyone of winning Gold! 2 NJDan and cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 I disagree. Since Sadulaev is moving up, I would say a healthy Cox has as good a chance as anyone of winning Gold! He won't. Remember he basically backed into the second bronze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 673 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 He won't. Remember he basically backed into the second bronze. Remember, if his corner coaches were better versed in freestyle scoring he could have just as easily been in the gold medal match. 1 Crotalus reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 774 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 He won't. Remember he basically backed into the second bronze.Yeah right. Backed into the second Bronze? He beat Salas in case you missed it. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Yeah right. Backed into the second Bronze? He beat Salas in case you missed it. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk He was lucky in the final match. But we will see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgallan 592 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Why Fix? Why not Lee? Size and durability....... talent is not an issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 596 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Taylor deliberately hyper extended cox's knee and still lost. Wrestle like a dirt ball, lose like a dirt ball. Keep playing jv, taylor. Yeah, he is known for that (eyes rolling)! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,423 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Please... that was a normal finish on a normal wrestling takedown. Don't be a punk because your guy got hurt I won't be, don't worry... ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgallan 592 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 I am hoping someday JC wins a match and maybe makes a national team. Guy is a scrub. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_Wrestler 316 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 i love cox but that was bull****....f that. You love what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steen-hooph 74 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 He won't. Remember he basically backed into the second bronze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steen-hooph 74 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Backed into Olympic bronze? Some people are so disrespectful it's just nbelievable. Your dude lost. Deal! 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 Size and durability....... talent is not an issue. debatable... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) Backed into Olympic bronze? Some people are so disrespectful it's just nbelievable. Your dude lost. Deal! What is wrong with saying I think a guy has the potential to win a Bronze medal? Initially I did not think Cox would medal at all, then the qualifying tournament made me revise my opinion. I said I thought Cox could win a bronze and he did, kind of. (LOL). That is what I think his ceiling is. Like I said, not so bad. Now JB may get a Bronze too this time out. Again not so bad. Hope he loses to be honest, but there it is. Edited June 11, 2017 by straggler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steen-hooph 74 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 What is wrong with saying I think a guy has the potential to win a Bronze medal? Initially I did not think Cox would medal at all, then the qualifying tournament made me revise my opinion. I said I thought Cox could win a bronze and he did, kind of. (LOL). That is what I think his ceiling is. Like I said, not so bad. Now JB may get a Bronze too this time out. Again not so bad. Hope he loses to be honest, but there it is. [/quote Man you're bitter. Life must suck, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,623 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 They complain because US wrestling has set up a complete farce of a system, and they make it worse by showing overwhelming favoritism to the incumbent. JB is very hard to root for. Gets the benefit of every call and is dirty because he is allowed to get away with it. Then gloats about it. And no one can say that the challenge tournament did not screw both Dake and Taylor in addition to the bias. But Dake has been routinely screwed against JB. As I have said repeatedly, he cannot wrestle JB under US wrestling auspices and expect a fair shake. Cox has a shot at a bronze. JB probably won't medal. The challenge tournament didn't screw Dake, losing the US Open did. Taylor was screwed by losing last year when Cox won an olympic medal. Both guys had their chances to be waiting in the finals. I can't believe how many people want a "fair" system over one that rewards our best guys and increases the chance they represent us at Worlds. Currently every wrestler in the country can make the team simply by winning. Also the wrestlers who prove they are the best in the country get the benefit of the doubt but still have to win 2 out of 3. 2 NJDan and LJB reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,623 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 He won't. Remember he basically backed into the second bronze. You're an absolute idiot if you truly believe this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 You're an absolute idiot if you truly believe this. OK. I'm certainly not infallible. But all I know is before RIo I said JB would not win (did not foresee him imploding completely, but who could have anticipated that?) and that Cox could win a Bronze. Idiocy aside I have been relatively honest. I put down the marker again. Let's see how it turns out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 The challenge tournament didn't screw Dake, losing the US Open did. Taylor was screwed by losing last year when Cox won an olympic medal. Both guys had their chances to be waiting in the finals. I can't believe how many people want a "fair" system over one that rewards our best guys and increases the chance they represent us at Worlds. Currently every wrestler in the country can make the team simply by winning. Also the wrestlers who prove they are the best in the country get the benefit of the doubt but still have to win 2 out of 3. JB is the most coddled national athlete I have ever seen. Sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 JB is the most coddled national athlete I have ever seen. Sorry. I would have agreed after the US Open, but not after tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,623 Report post Posted June 11, 2017 JB is the most coddled national athlete I have ever seen. Sorry. What does that have to do with the mini-tournament? JB and Dake went into the US Open on equal footing. You can dislike the reffing in all 4 JB-Dake matches this year, but the problem is not the mini tournament. JB won/the refs gave it to him with no rest at the US Open even easier than today. The only time Dake has ever won a match against him was when JB was rested and Dake was coming off the mini-tournament. Maybe they coddle him. Maybe they outright tell the refs to cheat for him. Either way the mini-tournament has a 0% influence on why Dake isn't repping the USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
