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I didn't want to be the guy who stated this, but I wasn't putting a lot of excitement behind Logan's non-Olympic title last year. That is not to say that I wasn't excited for the guy, but, contrary to what Flo stated at that time, his path wasn't "loaded" with world beaters other the Ukrainian who had a bronze from the previous year. While it sucks that Logan got smoked by Rashidov and Khinchigashvili today, I think it goes to show just how big a difference a tournament makes when guys of that caliber don't attend. That said, Logie's there, he gets a feel for both of those horses and can adjust from here. I have high hopes for him moving forward.

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He looked like a bag of bones..

 

I agree that he didn't look fit compared to his cut to 61kg last year. I wasn't there live last year but I was this year and I was immediately struck with how thin and not toned he looked. Rashidov looked like he outweighed him by 10 pounds. Is it possible he did a "smart" gradual cut that degraded him too significantly before the final dehydration part of his cut (a la Jonny Hendricks vs Stephen Thompsen, where his walkout weight looked 15 pounds lighter than any fight previously)? I mean, Stieber had amazing results against people better than Rashidov up at 65kg long before last year's worlds. In my opinion, he was not the same guy that won the title last year. 

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He has stated in interviews that he doesn't want to compete for too much longer and has his eyes set on coaching, which he's really passionate about. Maybe he's got one foot out the door. He's had an awesome career and I could see him moving on from competition within a year or two. Maybe give the Olympics one good run.

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He has stated in interviews that he doesn't want to compete for too much longer and has his eyes set on coaching, which he's really passionate about. Maybe he's got one foot out the door. He's had an awesome career and I could see him moving on from competition within a year or two. Maybe give the Olympics one good run.

That's a interesting thought.  Obviously these guys want to win for their own sake, but the guys who want to coach also must look at Senior level accomplishments as really important parts of the resume for a top college job.  Not that it makes them better coaches, but that it makes them much better in the living room with prospective recruits.  You don't want to be the top guy who doesn't boast an Olympic gold.  

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I agree that he didn't look fit compared to his cut to 61kg last year. I wasn't there live last year but I was this year and I was immediately struck with how thin and not toned he looked. Rashidov looked like he outweighed him by 10 pounds. Is it possible he did a "smart" gradual cut that degraded him too significantly before the final dehydration part of his cut (a la Jonny Hendricks vs Stephen Thompsen, where his walkout weight looked 15 pounds lighter than any fight previously)? I mean, Stieber had amazing results against people better than Rashidov up at 65kg long before last year's worlds. In my opinion, he was not the same guy that won the title last year. 

 

In his post-tourney interview the question was asked and he mentioned that he'd changed his body composition to try to adjust to making 61kg.  I think we're seeing that now.  I've never seen Stieber appear so obviously out horse-powered as he did in the Rashidov match.  

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Pretty obvious that Stieber was not sharp at World's.  Typically his losses are highly competitive.  That said--his two losses were to total studs.  

 

As someone who has watched him closely for a long time, he peaked for the previous world tourney.  He was not sharp this cycle.  World Cup, Pan Ams, even the WTT's...he just never really seemed quite the wrestler he had been the previous season.  That may be the weight cut.  Or it may be something else.  Hard to say and I don't want to speculate.  All I know is he's had a brilliant career and stood atop every peak this sport offers save the Olympics.   We'll see whether or not he continues.  But from the standpoint of winning with class and personal conduct, he remains one of the great examples this country has to offer.  

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In his post-tourney interview the question was asked and he mentioned that he'd changed his body composition to try to adjust to making 61kg.  I think we're seeing that now.  I've never seen Stieber appear so obviously out horse-powered as he did in the Rashidov match.  

 

I didn't see the interview but this makes sense. It's a fine line to walk with cutting well. On one hand, you want to be fully energized and have plenty in the tank for 4 or 5 matches; but on the other hand, you want to be as physically strong as possible, requiring you to do some degree of dehydration. There just are some cases where guys are gradually diminishing their calories, stripping away muscle while trying to be a smaller person to lessen the impact of the cut, and end up competing way smaller than the guys who dehydrate all the weight off at the last minute. 

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Pretty obvious that Stieber was not sharp at World's.  Typically his losses are highly competitive.  That said--his two losses were to total studs.  

 

As someone who has watched him closely for a long time, he peaked for the previous world tourney.  He was not sharp this cycle.  World Cup, Pan Ams, even the WTT's...he just never really seemed quite the wrestler he had been the previous season.  That may be the weight cut.  Or it may be something else.  Hard to say and I don't want to speculate.  All I know is he's had a brilliant career and stood atop every peak this sport offers save the Olympics.   We'll see whether or not he continues.  But from the standpoint of winning with class and personal conduct, he remains one of the great examples this country has to offer.  

 

Agreed on everything you said.  I thought for sure he would compete through 2020 after last year, but now I'm wondering whether the way he lost will push him toward coaching much sooner.  Lot's of factors at play obviously... weight class, money, personal life (he just got engaged).

 

If he no longer believes he can compete with the best in his weight, maybe he hangs it up.  Competing in the Olympics is a nice goal but Logan doesn't strike me as the type that's going to hang around and try to sneak in a few bronzes.  

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Interesting, one of the other threads mentioned Stieber vs Aliev.

 

So any word on Logan? Will he still wrestle? Will he go back up to 65kg?

 

And just looking at Aliev, wow, wins World gold at 61kg in 2014 and 2015, then drops to 57 for Rio and wins Olympic bronze then goes back up to 61 for another World gold in 2017.

 

What's cool in that Aliev went up to 65kg for the 2017 World Cup last February and went 4-0 beating Aksoy (TUR) 12-2, Molinaro (USA) 4-1, Julakidze (GEO) 10-0 and Gogaev (RUS) 2-1.

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Interesting, one of the other threads mentioned Stieber vs Aliev.

 

So any word on Logan? Will he still wrestle? Will he go back up to 65kg?

 

And just looking at Aliev, wow, wins World gold at 61kg in 2014 and 2015, then drops to 57 for Rio and wins Olympic bronze then goes back up to 61 for another World gold in 2017.

 

What's cool in that Aliev went up to 65kg for the 2017 World Cup last February and went 4-0 beating Aksoy (TUR) 12-2, Molinaro (USA) 4-1, Julakidze (GEO) 10-0 and Gogaev (RUS) 2-1.

I’m guessing 65kg. I don’t know if he can do 61kg with same day weigh ins.

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I’m guessing 65kg. I don’t know if he can do 61kg with same day weigh ins.

He did say he wanted to try 61kg again with the 2 kg allowance for next season.

 

He needs to have a more direct attack against the big guns. You can't dive in for a TD scramble and expect to score. Logie uses this technique against Americans quite well.

 

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