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This would absolutely be a valid list. In my original post you will notice I included the year/version of the wrestler. It wasnt ment to be an allstar team, it was asking which versions of NCAA Champs would win a tournament of NCAA Champs.

yeah man not arguing, you can do it either way. just pointing out some guys not wanting to double up anyone. fun discussion topic, even if there can really be no absolute answers (fantasy match ups and all) 

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My picks

 

125 - 02 Abas

133 - 16 Garrett (this will be disputed but he was incredibly dominant over a good field)

141 - 15 Steiber

149 - 17 Zain

157 - 09 Burroughs (this and 33 were the toughest for me to pick)

165 - 13 Dake

174 - 07 Askren

184 - 01 Sanderson

197 - 02 Sanderson

HWT - 99 Neal (too big and strong for Snyder...would pick Snyder in Free though)

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List of champions 125:

1999-Stephen Abas (Fresno State)

2000-Jeremy Hunter (Penn State)  

2001-Stephen Abas (Fresno State)

2002-Stephen Abas (Fresno State) 

2003-Travis Lee (Cornell)

2004-Jason Powell (Nebraska)

2005-Joe Dubuque (Indiana)

2006-Joe Dubuque (Indiana)   

2007-Paul Donahoe (Nebraska)

2008-Angel Escobedo (Indiana)  

2009-Troy Nickerson (Cornell)

2010-Matt McDonough (Iowa)  

2011-Anthony Robles (Arizona State)

2012-Matt McDonough (Iowa)

2013-Jesse Delgado (Illinois)

2014-Jesse Delgado (Illinois) 

2015-Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State)

2016-Nico Megaludis (Penn State)

2017-Darian Cruz (Lehigh)

 

I'll go with 2002 Stephen Abas!

 

133

1999-Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State)

2000-Eric Juergens (Iowa)

2001-Eric Juergens (Iowa)

2002-Johnny Thompson (Oklahoma State)

2003-Johnny Thompson (Oklahoma State)

2004-Zach Roberson (Iowa State) 

2005-Travis Lee (Cornell)

2006-Matt Valenti (Pennsylvania)   

2007-Matt Valenti (Pennsylvania)

2008-Coleman Scott (Oklahoma State) 

2009-Franklin Gomez (Michigan State)

2010-Jayson Ness (Minnesota)

2011-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)

2012-Logan Stieber (Ohio State)

2013-Logan Stieber (Ohio State)

2014-Tony Ramos (Iowa)   

2015-Cody Brewer (Oklahoma) 

2016-Nahshon Garrett (Cornell)

2017-Cory Clark (Iowa)

My pick is 2008 Coleman Scott

 

141

1999-Doug Schwab (Iowa)

2000-Carl Perry (Illinois)

2001-Michael Lightner (Oklahoma)

2002-Aaron Holker (Iowa State)

2003-Teyon Ware (Oklahoma)

2004-Cliff Moore (Iowa) 

2005-Teyon Ware (Oklahoma)

2006-Nate Gallick (Iowa State)

2007-Derek Moore (UC Davis)

2008-Jeff Jaggers (Ohio State) 

2009-Jeff Jaggers (Ohio State)

2010-Kyle Dake (Cornell)    

2011-Kellen Russell (Michigan)

2012-Kellen Russell (Michigan)

2013-Kendric Maple (Oklahoma)

2014-Logan Stieber (Ohio State) 

2015-Logan Stieber (Ohio State)

2016-Dean Heil (Oklahoma State)

2017-Dean Heil (Oklahoma State)

 

My Pick is 2015- Logan Stieber

 

149

1999-TJ Williams (Iowa)

2000-Tony Davis (Northern Iowa)

2001-Adam Tirapelle (Illinois)

2002-Jared Lawrence (Minnesota)

2003-Eric Larkin (Arizona State)

2004-Jesse Jantzen (Harvard)

2005-Zack Esposito (Oklahoma State)

2006-Dustin Schlatter (Minnesota)

2007-Gregor Gillespie (Edinboro)

2008-Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 

2009-Darrion Caldwell (NC State)

2010-Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 

2011-Kyle Dake (Cornell)

2012-Frank Molinaro (Penn State)

2013-Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)

2014-Jason Tsirtsis (Northwestern)

2015-Drake Houdashelt (Missouri)

2016-Zain Retherford (Penn State)

2017-Zain Retherford (Penn State)

 

My Pick- 2017 Zain Retherford

 

157

1999-Casey Cunningham (Central Michigan)

2000-Brett Matter (Pennsylvania)

2001-TJ Williams (Iowa)

2002-Luke Becker (Minnesota)  

2003-Ryan Bertin (Michigan)

2004-Matt Gentry (Stanford)   

2005-Ryan Bertin (Michigan)

2006-Ben Cherrington (Boise State)

2007-Trent Paulson (Iowa State)

2008-Jordan Leen (Cornell)

2009-Jordan Burroughs (Nebraska)

2010-JP O'Connor (Harvard)

2011-Bubba Jenkins (Arizona State)

2012-Kyle Dake (Cornell)

2013-Derek St. John (Iowa)

2014-Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State)

2015-Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) 

2016-Isaiah Martinez (Illinois)

2017-Jason Nolf (Penn State)

 

My Pick 2012 Kyle Dake

 

165

1999-Kirk White (Boise State)

2000-Donny Pritzlaff (Wisconsin) 

2001-Donny Prizlaff (Wisconsin)

2002-Joe Heskett (Iowa State)  

2003-Matt Lackey (Illinois)

2004-Troy Letters (Lehigh)

2005-Johny Hendricks (Oklahoma State)

2006-Johny Hendricks (Oklahoma State)

2007-Mark Perry (Iowa)

2008-Mark Perry (Iowa)

2009-Jarrod King (Edinboro)

2010-Andrew Howe (Wisconsin)

2011-Jordan Burroughs (Nebraska)

2012-David Taylor (Penn State)

2013-Kyle Dake (Cornell)

2014-David Taylor (Penn State)

2015-Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State)

2016-Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State)

2017-Vincenzo Joseph (Penn State)

 

My Pick- 2013 Kyle Dake

 

174

1999-Glenn Pritzlaff (Penn State)

2000-Byron Tucker (Oklahoma) 

2001-Josh Koscheck (Edinboro)

2002-Greg Jones (West Virginia)

2003-Robbie Waller (Oklahoma)

2004-Chris Pendleton (Oklahoma State)

2005-Chris Pendleton (Oklahoma State)

2006-Ben Askren (Missouri)

2007-Ben Askren (Missouri)

2008-Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh)

2009-Steve Luke (Michigan)

2010-Jay Borschel (Iowa)  

2011-Jon Reader (Iowa State)

2012-Ed Ruth (Penn State) 

2013-Chris Perry (Oklahoma State)

2014-Chris Perry (Oklahoma State) 

2015-Matt Brown (Penn State)

2016-Myles Martin (Ohio State)

2017-Mark Hall (Penn State)

 

My Pick 2007 Ben Askren

 

184

1999-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)

2000-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)  

2001-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)

2002-Rob Rohn (Lehigh) 

2003-Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State)

2004-Greg Jones (West Virginia) 

2005-Greg Jones (West Virginia)

2006-Shane Webster (Oregon) 

2007-Jake Herbert (Northwestern)

2008-Mike Pucillo (Ohio State)  

2009-Jake Herbert (Northwestern)

2010-Max Askren (Missouri)

2011-Quentin Wright (Penn State)

2012-Steve Bosak (Cornell)

2013-Ed Ruth (Penn State)

2014-Ed Ruth (Penn State)   

2015-Gabe Dean (Cornell)

2016-Gabe Dean (Cornell)

2017-Bo Nickal (Penn State)

My Pick 2001 Cael Sanderson

 

197

1999-Tim Hartung (Minnesota)

2000-Brad Vering (Nebraska)    

2001-Mark Munoz (Oklahoma State)

2002-Cael Sanderson (Iowa State)  

2003-Damion Hahn (Minnesota)

2004-Damion Hahn (Minnesota) 

2005-Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State)

2006-Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State)

2007-Josh Glenn (American)

2008-Phil Davis (Penn State)

2009-Jake Varner (Iowa State)

2010-Jake Varner (Iowa State)

2011-Dustin Kilgore (Kent State)

2012-Cam Simaz (Cornell) 

2013-Quentin Wright (Penn State)

2014-J'Den Cox (Missouri)

2015-Kyven Gadson (Iowa State)

2016-J'Den Cox (Missouri) 

2017-J'Den Cox (Missouri) 

 

My Pick 2002 Cael Sanderson

 

HWT

1999-Stephen Neal (Cal-State Bakersfield)

2000-Brock Lesnar (Minnesota)

2001-John Lockhart (Illinois)

2002-Tommy Rowlands (Ohio State)

2003-Steve Mocco (Iowa)

2004-Tommy Rowlands (Ohio State)

2005-Steve Mocco (Oklahoma State)

2006-Cole Konrad (Minnesota)

2007-Cole Konrad (Minnesota)

2008-Dustin Fox (Northwestern)

2009-Mark Ellis (Missouri)

2010-David Zabriskie (Iowa State) 

2011-Zach Rey (Lehigh)

2012-Tony Nelson (Minnesota)

2013-Tony Nelson (Minnesota)

2014-Nick Gwiazdowski (NC State)

2015-Nick Gwiazdowski (NC State)

2016-Kyle Snyder (Ohio State)

2017-Kyle Snyder (Ohio State)

 

My Pick 1999- Stephen Neal but I'd go with 2018 Kyle Snyder

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No love for Dieringer at 165 - are there any other 3 time champs at this weight?

 

Wouldn't pick him over Dake or Taylor. Any way you slice it, you kinda have to go with Dake. Taylor looked completely unstoppable his last 3 seasons against everyone but Dake. 

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125: EDIT:  Abas (didn't realize Abas qualified, has Robles here initially)

133: Guerrero (I seriously thought about sophomore Oliver, also).

141: Stieber

149: Metcalf

157: Dake

165: Burroughs (this is a terrible match up for Perry, even though Perry had the better career placings)

174: Pendleton

184: Ruth (I had Herbert here initially, but after thinking about, I think Ruth is both better and a tough match up)

197: Cael

HW: Snyder (but I would be very intrigued by a Neal match)

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I need to say I don't know the early 2000s guys near enough to give them credit so my list is more like a mid 2000s to present list.

 

125 I think if it's an actual tournament I give the 125 edge to Robles.  There is no way to prepare for him and if you haven't wrestled him before you have no gameplan.  You also have no idea what it's like to be grabbed by his until you get out there and the hands of a 160 lb man who has been on crutches his whole life grab you and your wrist is gone until he decides to give it back.  

 

133 is a toss up with no clear guy.  Steiber was awesome but I don't think he wins more than he loses against JO, especially JO from the year before who handled the weight better.  Coleman Scott was awesome his senior year.  Travis Lee was explosive but with an economy of movement you rarely see from a guy that explosive.  He had no wasted movement.  Garrett was awesome but he struggled with finishing against defensive greats like Delgado and never had a defensive guy of that level his Senior year (plus he got launched by Brewer that year).  Franklin Gomez was great.  I think I go Travis Lee.

 

141 I go Steiber.  By his senior year his top game was such a weapon.  

 

149 I think nobody was at a higher level than Caldwell, but he never makes it through multiple matches at this level healthy.  The 149 version of Oliver was the best he ever was, before or after.  I think I take him, although Molinaro's riding ablity could present problems for him.  Same with Dake's.  Retherford is obviously right there with anyone.

 

157 I'd take Dake at 157 or 165.  If I put him at 165 I'd take Leen or Nolf.  Leen's low level shots were so tough.  

 

165 Hendricks was special in college because he was forced to be in shape.  He had so much raw talent but he had lapses that would cost him against this field.  Perry is right up there.  Burroughs obviously.  Dieringer was really good but was mortal when you could stand up to him physically.  I'd have to go Burroughs, though I think there are guys on his level.  Howe was also awesome when he was young and healthy.  Taylor was very good.  Or if Dake is at 165 I go Dake.  

 

174 I think in the end Chris Perry was better than his brother, even if he was extremely boring.  Being great tactically is huge in high level matches.  I think if he had an international weight class he might have done well there.  Greg Jones was awesome.  Pendleton and Askren both for different reasons.  Borschel had one amazing season.  I probably go Pendleton.

 

184 I think Cael, Greg Jones, and Ruth are the best.  If I put the best version of Cael at 197 then I go Greg Jones here.

 

197 Cael all day.  Varner was great at winning and impossible to score on.  3rd weekend in March Jake Rosholt was money, and his lack of care for the regular season should not entirely remove how good he was when he was on.  Cox is on the short list.  If it's not Cael, I could definitely see it being Cox and Varner in the UTB.

 

285 Snyder.  I am not sure he beats all of the behemoths of the weight, but even wrestling up I pick him as the winner more times out of 10 than anyone else.  I think he'd have a shot with Konrad because Konrad would look like he had cement shoes in that match. Of course Konrad could pick top and create real trouble.   I think he'd have a hard time with Mocco, Neal, Rowlands, and maybe even Tony Nelson, who wasn't great, but Nelson could give up 4 TDs in the match and still make it interesting by picking top.  

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Wouldn't pick him over Dake or Taylor. Any way you slice it, you kinda have to go with Dake. Taylor looked completely unstoppable his last 3 seasons against everyone but Dake. 

Dieringer's junior year he put up a higher bonus percentage than Taylor did at any point in his career, so he was every bit as unstoppable.  I think it's fair to have opinions on who is better between the two, but bias is revealed in declaring one clearly superior.  

 

Dake over both.

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197 - this year's Cox beats Cael in his senior year? Very bold!

I think it would be possible but for my list I imposed a "use a guy just once " rule on myself. So CS was already in for 184.  Otherwise I probably would go with Logan at 133, & Dake @ 149 (and maybe even 165 over JB in folkstyle.

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boconnell. not sure but think you may be 1st guy who has mentioned Greg Jones. for a 3 timer he sure does get overlooked. WVU being a little off the radar and the one off kilter NCAA tournament factor into that.   

 

I have to admit I completely forgot about Greg Jones, dude was amazing on his feet.  Him vs Ruth vs Herbert as seniors would be a barn burner...

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List of champions 125:

 

2003-Travis Lee (Cornell)

2004-Jason Powell (Nebraska)

2005-Joe Dubuque (Indiana)

2006-Joe Dubuque (Indiana)   

2007-Paul Donahoe (Nebraska)

2008-Angel Escobedo (Indiana)  

2009-Troy Nickerson (Cornell)

 

 

kind of an interesting stretch of schools/champs at 125.   

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I can't imagine anyone beating Robles senior year. McDonough (not injured) is one of the best ever at that weight and it was a blowout.

 

McDonough didn't seem to have a game plan for Robles.  I said at the time that the Hawks should've paid more attention to the Robles - Patterson QF match. The Sooner ended up losing by the same margin as McDonough but kept it close early - trailing by only 3-5 midway through the match.  In his book, Robles said that Patterson (then only a sophomore) wrestled him smart by circling and keeping his distance.  IIRC, Patterson circled and stuffed Robles' head down - allowing him to spin behind for a TD. 

 

Patterson was a solid wrestler with a 107-32 career record - just never broke through to be an elite 125-pounder.  He was a 2x Big 12 champ and 4x NCAA qualifier.  His only AA came the year he wrestled Robles - where he placed 7th.  

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Not bad. I'd pick some different guys though. I'd put Steiber at 133 and 141. 174 I'd pick Pendleton, not Askren. I'd put Mark Perry ahead of Burroughs at 165 (Burroughs college achievements weren't as impressive as Perry's). Neal at HWT is good, but Konrad would be acceptable as well (maybe even Mocco).

 

If I had to pick a winner at 165--JB easily beats Perry at 165.  JB started to become JB his JR year at 157, then he kept progressing his SR at 165.  Although Perry did well all four years, he wasn't even close his senior year to a SR JB in my opinion.  

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125 - A Robles ASU - 2011

133 - E Guerrero OSU - 1999

141 - L Stieber Oh St - 2015

149 - D Caldwell NCSt - 2009

157 - K Dake Corn - 2012

165 - J Burroughs Neb - 2011

174 - E Ruth PSU - 2012

184 - C Sanderson ISU - 2001

197 - J Cox Mo - 2017

Hvywt - K Snyder Oh St - 2017

 

This is very good.  I think the version of Caldwell at 149 was probably the best.  Still don't think Cox would beat Sanderson at 197.  In fact, I think very unlikely.  I think Robles is a goo pick, too.  

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You didn't watch closely than.  Caldwell rode him for almost 1:30 of the 3rd period and had a 1-0 lead and RT.  Then he gave up a reversal and Burroughs rode it out to cut the RT off and win 2-1.  If Caldwell just gives up the escape with 30 seconds left he probably wins.  He had no warning and could have run for half a minute.  It was a mental error that cost him.

 

Folkstyle rules lend themselves to a guy wrestling an extremely tactical match.  There are so many ways to kill clock in Folkstyle.  Freestyle fans who think it's boring are completely right when it comes to some wrestlers.  Caldwell was one.  Some guys block off and stall and play the edge and cling on top and turn a 7 minute match into 3-4 minutes of stalling in neutral.  They turn the other guy's offensive attacks into minute long scrambles with no points scored and no danger of stalling because the other guy is close to scoring.  Caldwell executed that nearly perfect against Burroughs and had him 30 seconds from defeat.  And there are plenty of guys who were better than him technically, better defensively, and had the same stalling skills to shorten the match.  I think if you put college Burroughs in a folkstyle tournament with 15 other champs, one of them slows him down and beats him.  

 

In his JR and Sr years, he was at a different level.  I would take JB at 157 over Dake and 165 over anyone.

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Would you really pick a Jr or Sr year Ruth over a Cael Fr-Jr?

 

Definitely not a Soph or JR Cael.  Probably not Frosh either.  A senior Ruth lost to a Freshman Dean, and beat him in a close match in the Finals that year.  Dean has been exposed recently.  

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My picks

 

125 - 02 Abas

133 - 16 Garrett (this will be disputed but he was incredibly dominant over a good field)

141 - 15 Steiber

149 - 17 Zain

157 - 09 Burroughs (this and 33 were the toughest for me to pick)

165 - 13 Dake

174 - 07 Askren

184 - 01 Sanderson

197 - 02 Sanderson

HWT - 99 Neal (too big and strong for Snyder...would pick Snyder in Free though)

 

I really believe that JB beats Dake at 165.  I think that Caldwell beats Zain.  Garrett--no way.  

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