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I hope Snyder gets it. I know by the strict interpretation he is likely 3rd, but Zain got his and Nolf will still have the following season for his.

 

If wish there was a way for iMar to get it, assuming he goes undefeated. 1,1,2,1 with two total losses is one of the best performances ever on Folk. He also beat other potentially legendary guys. Nolf will certainly be on those lists, and Massa is a likely 4 time AA and at least one time champ. He also has two wins over Cenzo, and if he doesn’t lose this season, likely two more. Cenzo could very well be a multiple time champ too.

 

Wrestling is nuts right now. 4 guys going for their 3rd title, 8 champs returning from last year, multiple world team members, an Olympic and world (2x) champ, 3 guys from the same team going for their 4th AA honors, a team with 5 returning champs, two guys who were incredibly close to going for their 4th, and that just scratches the surface.

 

There are going to be guys who normally would be big favorites for the Hodge who aren’t really in the conversation.

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I am sorry, but if you are intentionally wrestling an abbreviated schedule, you have no business winning an award based mainly on how you performed during a whole season.  Someone that made weight(although that doesn't matter so much for Snyder) every time, did all the traveling, risked the injuries, fought through any illnesses to get to a 35ish-0 record simply doesn't compare to a 15ish-0 cherry picked season.

 

If you want to add a best overall World accomplishments during a College Season, he is the man.  But, you are actually doing a disservice to guys like Retherford, Nolf and maybe IMar if they wrestled most/all of their team's competitions and inevitably have stronger bonus/pin rates, but you give the College award to a guy because of what  he accomplished Internationally more so than what he does for tOSU............

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I'd take 3 world titles over Hodge any day of the week. Snyder is out of the running based on msu's comments above. He will, however, amass what I consider to be the most outstanding resume while in college and it's not even close there.

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I am sorry, but if you are intentionally wrestling an abbreviated schedule, you have no business winning an award based mainly on how you performed during a whole season. Someone that made weight(although that doesn't matter so much for Snyder) every time, did all the traveling, risked the injuries, fought through any illnesses to get to a 35ish-0 record simply doesn't compare to a 15ish-0 cherry picked season.

 

If you want to add a best overall World accomplishments during a College Season, he is the man. But, you are actually doing a disservice to guys like Retherford, Nolf and maybe IMar if they wrestled most/all of their team's competitions and inevitably have stronger bonus/pin rates, but you give the College award to a guy because of what he accomplished Internationally more so than what he does for tOSU............

Accomplished against the best wrestlers on the planet while being recognized as the #1 p4p wrestler in the world. As far as I'm aware, there is nothing in the Hodge criteria that excludes international results from being used in the decision making process. There is a reason that Snyder was a finalist for the Sullivan Award and no other collegiate wrestler was in the running. I believe Snyder received the most votes of any male this past award season. I say they should at least share the award if Snyder completes an undefeated championship season. Snyder is probably the guy who would win most consistently if the NCAA were a true national championship tournament. Edited by bigmik

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I'd take 3 world titles over Hodge any day of the week. Snyder is out of the running based on msu's comments above. He will, however, amass what I consider to be the most outstanding resume while in college and it's not even close there.

Maybe he has a chance. He did finish third in the voting last year. Maybe those who voted for Cox will give their vote to Snyder this year.

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The Hodge is to go to the most outstanding college wrestler of the year. This is a collegiate award and should be based on collegiate performance in my book.

 

It will be unfortunate that Snyder, a generational talent, will not win the award but there are always consequences to decisions. Today everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. Life doesn't work like that.

 

Now get off of my lawn!!

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The Hodge is to go to the most outstanding college wrestler of the year. This is a collegiate award and should be based on collegiate performance in my book.

 

It will be unfortunate that Snyder, a generational talent, will not win the award but there are always consequences to decisions. Today everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. Life doesn't work like that.

 

Now get off of my lawn!!

And many people would say that Snyder is the most outstanding college wrestler. I would say that. How many guys in college right now would be favored to win a true folkstyle national champion consistently? It seems like Snyder sticks out like a sore thumb if the tournaments are made as tough as possible.

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And many people would say that Snyder is the most outstanding college wrestler. I would say that. How many guys in college right now would be favored to win a true folkstyle national champion consistently? It seems like Snyder sticks out like a sore thumb if the tournaments are made as tough as possible.

I read outstanding as performance not ability.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that Snyder is not the best wrestler that is in college, but will his 2017-18 performance in college be the most outstanding?

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I read outstanding as performance not ability.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that Snyder is not the best wrestler that is in college, but will his 2017-18 performance in college be the most outstanding?

If he goes undefeated while wrestling his best, that would likely be the case. Well, of course, that depends on the definition of "outstanding" that we are using. Outstanding results don't necessarily require outstanding performances. Kyle would likely display a higher level of wrestling skill than anyone else while on the mat. It would be like if Cael came out in his senior year and went 15-0; there still would be a sense in which he remains the most outstanding with so "few" matches. Edited by bigmik

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Is there anyway Kyle wrestles a full season. He is P4P #1 in the world right now. Why not finish your last college season cleaning up all the awards. If he wrestles a full season I think he wins it. Remember how this affected Varner's career not winning it! :-)

Edited by PRyan2012

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Accomplished against the best wrestlers on the planet while being recognized as the #1 p4p wrestler in the world. As far as I'm aware, there is nothing in the Hodge that excludes international results from being excluded in the decision making process. There is a reason that Snyder was a finalist for the Sullivan Award and no other collegiate wrestler was in the running. I believe Snyder received the most votes of any male this past award season. I say they should at least share the award if Snyder completes an undefeated championship season. Snyder is probably the guy who would win most consistently if the NCAA were a true national championship tournament.

Methinks you got your excludes messed up in the manner of a double negative.  One as all knowing as yourself should not make such an error.

 

 

1 KEY component:  He is recognized as the best in a DIFFERENT style of wrestling at a different weight class.  Also, I covered, almost exactly your argument, by creating a different award in my 2nd paragraph.  Finally, the Hodge isn't solely about who you think is the best.  A major factor is how dominant you were the entire season.  Not only will Snyder miss a large portion of the season, he will fall way short on the most dominant category of Falls(which is a major reason why it was named after Hodge in the 1st place).

Edited by MSU158

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There couldn't be a more vague or poorly worded definition for this award.

The WIN Magazine/Culture House Dan Hodge Trophy, presented by ASICS, is considered the Heisman Trophy for amateur wrestling and has been presented to the nation’s best wrestler since 1995.

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Kyle Snyder.  JB and Helen Maroulis have an argument.

 

Criteria for the award includes a wrestler’s record, number of pins, dominance on the mat, past credentials, quality of competition, sportsmanship/citizenship and heart.

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Um.  Kyle Snyder?

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And a D1 champ that was pinned in the first period.

Let's not ignore that that was a unique season where only 1 DI guy was undefeated in a very thin weight class and he won in a very boring and somewhat ugly fashion.  Now, I will say that I wouldn't have had an issue with Gavin winning it over Metcalf. But, they gave Metcalf a ton of credit for, other than that 1 loss, dominating a very strong weight class.  Also, without knowing that Caldwell would beat him again, that loss was taken as a fluke "catch" pin and was not given much credit at the time.

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Let's not ignore that that was a unique season where only 1 DI guy was undefeated in a very thin weight class and he won in a very boring and somewhat ugly fashion.  Now, I will say that I wouldn't have had an issue with Gavin winning it over Metcalf. But, they gave Metcalf a ton of credit for, other than that 1 loss, dominating a very strong weight class.  Also, without knowing that Caldwell would beat him again, that loss was taken as a fluke "catch" pin and was not given much credit at the time.

 

Come on, he wasn’t pinned

 

I agree with headshuck. While Metcalf was not getting out of that spadle he was not pinned.. no way, no how...

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Let's not ignore that that was a unique season where only 1 DI guy was undefeated in a very thin weight class and he won in a very boring and somewhat ugly fashion.  Now, I will say that I wouldn't have had an issue with Gavin winning it over Metcalf. But, they gave Metcalf a ton of credit for, other than that 1 loss, dominating a very strong weight class.  Also, without knowing that Caldwell would beat him again, that loss was taken as a fluke "catch" pin and was not given much credit at the time.

And still they gave the award to a person that was pinned in the first period. The award puts so much emphasis on pinning because it shows "dominance." Well, he was "dominated" in that match. The award was named after Hodge because of his style and because he was a legendary undefeated wrestler.

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Methinks you got your excludes messed up in the manner of a double negative.  One as all knowing as yourself should not make such an error.

 

 

1 KEY component:  He is recognized as the best in a DIFFERENT style of wrestling at a different weight class.  Also, I covered, almost exactly your argument, by creating a different award in my 2nd paragraph.  Finally, the Hodge isn't solely about who you think is the best.  A major factor is how dominant you were the entire season.  Not only will Snyder miss a large portion of the season, he will fall way short on the most dominant category of Falls(which is a major reason why it was named after Hodge in the 1st place).

Another component: He's recognized as the best in a style that is considered the highest level of wrestling on the planet. He's also considered to be the #1 p4p wrestler at that higher level. He's winning against the very best in the WORLD, while everyone else isn't even winning a true NATIONAL championship. A major reason the award was named after Hodge was because he was an undefeated wrestler. He could also be said to be the best wrestler,in his weight class,in the country, without qualification.

 

Also, the Hodge committee doesn't have a strict way that they interpret the criteria. It can change from year to year.

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Also, the Hodge committee doesn't have a strict way that they interpret the criteria. It can change from year to year.

 

^ This.  Different criteria has been emphasized in different years.  I think the voters will be looking for a way to give Snyder the nod - as it'll look strange to the sports world if an Olympic and world champ wouldn't also be considered the best wrestler in college. Granted freestyle and folkstyle are technically different styles, but some make too much of that, IMO.  Hell, NCAA and NBA basketball also have a number of rule differences, but nobody considers them separate sports.  (Besides, as BigMik points out, international freestyle is considered the highest level of wrestling in the world.)

 

Anyway, Snyder only wrestled 11 matches as a sophomore.  Last year, he upped that to 17 - which is the minimum # of matches needed for the NCAA's Most Dominate Wrestler Award (not a coincidence IMO).  Assuming he doesn't fall off any from his past performance - and wrestles say, around 20 matches, I'd expect him to be a very strong candidate for the Hodge.  

Edited by HurricaneWrestling

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