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Fix just beat Tomasello 2x. The first was close second a little less close. I just re-watch Gilman vs Tomasello and that was a really close match. Gilman had more difficulty scoring on Nato than Fix did but Nato got to Fix's legs a lot more easily. Fix is a more aggressive and dynamic wrestler with more in his arsenal than Gildman (already!). I think it's easy to see Fix beating Gilman today. Interested in what others think.

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Easy? Absolutely not. Possible? Sure.

 

Fix didn’t even beat Nato easily. No way is he even a favorite against our senior world silver medalist (who beat Nato too). It is not easy to see Fix winning. I don’t even think it’s easy to see Fix beating Nato again.

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Fix is dynamic enough to score on multiple attacks... that is what makes him so great... most have a particular style and that is just it... you can either deal with it or not... fix showed that you can't bully him... it just doesn't work... gillman is a bullying type of wrestler... fix can obviously deal with it... gillman will get to fix's leg just like NATO did, but, one point scores are not enough to beat fix... 

 

i don't know if fix beats gillman 2 out of 3 tomorrow, but, it is fair to say that fix is our leading candidate for 2020... of course assuming that his style is not ruined by dicking around with collegiate wrestling...

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Easy? Absolutely not. Possible? Sure.

 

Fix didn’t even beat Nato easily. No way is he even a favorite against our senior world silver medalist (who beat Nato too). It is not easy to see Fix winning. I don’t even think it’s easy to see Fix beating Nato again.

Saying he may not beat Gilman yet is legit, he could but Gilman would be the favorite. Saying he won't beat NATO is silly..... he won so he wont beat him again. LOL Edited by sgallan

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I say coinflip with Gillman if they wrestled today. Nato just isn't super offensive and was able to get to attacks... also in an interview he (Fix) referenced how Logie was able to continually get to his legs, which leads me to think thatll be the place he will need to improve the most (defense) at the senior level for world/Olympic aspirations, his offense however immediately puts him near the top of our ladder.

 

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Easy? Absolutely not. Possible? Sure.

 

Fix didn’t even beat Nato easily. No way is he even a favorite against our senior world silver medalist (who beat Nato too). It is not easy to see Fix winning. I don’t even think it’s easy to see Fix beating Nato again.

 

He was able to beat him easier the 2nd time. It is DEFINITELY possible he can beat Nato again. The question is, could Fix step in and stop Nato from winning NCAAs' this year?

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Saying he may not beat Gilman yet is legit, he could but Gilman would be the favorite. Saying he won't beat NATO is silly..... he won so he wont beat him again. LOL

Silly? Learn to read before you call people anything.

 

I said it is not EASY to see Fix beating Nato again, let alone Gilman. Could he? Sure, no sht, since he just did. Is it a gimme, as the word east implies? Absolutely not.

 

I never said he would not beat either guy.

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Fix beat NATO more convincingly than gillman did... beat him with legitimate freestyle acumen and several different TDs and turns... Gillman beat Nato on a last second backdoor scramble that was more about toughness than anything else...

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He was able to beat him easier the 2nd time. It is DEFINITELY possible he can beat Nato again. The question is, could Fix step in and stop Nato from winning NCAAs' this year?

No sht it’s defintiely possible since he already did twice. My issue was with the word easy. It was not easy for him to beat Nato either time and I doubt it would be easy again. Easy implies overwhelming favorite. Fix easily won age group gold. He easily beat his guy in the finals. It is easy to see him winking another junior gold. Get it? He wouldn’t be an overwhelming favorite against Nato and especially not against Gilman at this point. Could he beat either guy? Sure.

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Fix beat NATO more convincingly than gillman did... beat him with legitimate freestyle acumen and several different TDs and turns... Gillman beat Nato on a last second backdoor scramble that was more about toughness than anything else...

Gilman has also wrestled Nato a million times and they are both intimately familiar why each other. It will always be close when those two wrestle. That doesn’t tell you much about how a latch with Fix would go when they wrestle for he first time ever. Also, Gilman has a brutal path at the trials. I doubt he was at 100% by the time he got to Nato. In Nato’s defense, maybe he wasn’t either, especially given the bigger weight cut.

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my point was that gillman is a folk style wrestler that beat NATO with last second heroics... Fix beat NATO using actual freestyle skills... the same skills that NATO showed absolutely no knowledge of... Gillman falls far closer to the NATO side of things than to the Fix side of things... Gillman is going to beat you up physically then snatch a leg up and march you out of bounds... Fix just showed that you need more than that to beat him in the real styles of wrestling... he was not bullied and you need more than one point scores to beat him because he will take you down and he will turn you...

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This is pretty straightforward in my opinion.  If wrestled today, it would be a match JUST LIKE what we saw in Fix/NaTo.  The margin of separation between Ramos, Gilman, and NaTo right now is razor thin in my opinion, and Fix cemented himself in this conversation, convincingly, yesterday.  

 

With that being said, I think it's probably 50/50 with Gilman right now (i.e. October, 2017).  By October 2018, different story.  

 

I see Fix as being a "transformational", once-a-generation type of wrestler to come along (given his current accomplishments, and potential trajectory).  Ironically enough, I feel we actually have three (3) of those types of wrestlers right now:

* Lower Weights:  Fix

* "Middle" Weights:  Mark Hall

* Upper Weights:  Kyle Snyder

 

These three guys could rewrite all of our history books, and make us redefine what "excellence" really means.

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This is pretty straightforward in my opinion. If wrestled today, it would be a match JUST LIKE what we saw in Fix/NaTo. The margin of separation between Ramos, Gilman, and NaTo right now is razor thin in my opinion, and Fix cemented himself in this conversation, convincingly, yesterday.

 

With that being said, I think it's probably 50/50 with Gilman right now (i.e. October, 2017). By October 2018, different story.

 

I see Fix as being a "transformational", once-a-generation type of wrestler to come along (given his current accomplishments, and potential trajectory). Ironically enough, I feel we actually have three (3) of those types of wrestlers right now:

* Lower Weights: Fix

* "Middle" Weights: Mark Hall

* Upper Weights: Kyle Snyder

 

These three guys could rewrite all of our history books, and make us redefine what "excellence" really means.

Middle weights : Burroughs.

 

 

 

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This is pretty straightforward in my opinion.  If wrestled today, it would be a match JUST LIKE what we saw in Fix/NaTo.  The margin of separation between Ramos, Gilman, and NaTo right now is razor thin in my opinion, and Fix cemented himself in this conversation, convincingly, yesterday.  

 

With that being said, I think it's probably 50/50 with Gilman right now (i.e. October, 2017).  By October 2018, different story.  

 

I see Fix as being a "transformational", once-a-generation type of wrestler to come along (given his current accomplishments, and potential trajectory).  Ironically enough, I feel we actually have three (3) of those types of wrestlers right now:

* Lower Weights:  Fix

* "Middle" Weights:  Mark Hall

* Upper Weights:  Kyle Snyder

 

These three guys could rewrite all of our history books, and make us redefine what "excellence" really means.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves when it comes Mark Hall. It's not 100% guaranteed that he will win NCAAs this year let alone an Olympic Gold.

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Saying he may not beat Gilman yet is legit, he could but Gilman would be the favorite. Saying he won't beat NATO is silly..... he won so he wont beat him again. LOL

^This, exactly.  Fix is 2-0 against NaTo and is easily the favorite the next time they wrestle.  Also, Fix is the younger of the two wrestlers, is just getting into a college room led by the greatest freestyle wrestler in american history (who happens to have been a lightweight), and thus is very likely to get much better between now and their next meeting. 

 

Just think about the improvement Kyle Snyder made between the beginning of his true freshman year and the summer afterwards..I'm not saying Fix will do exactly the same thing, but he might do something close!  

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I don't think Fix is 'just getting into a college room'. He's been in that room for awhile and has been under Smith's tutelage already (much like many top prospects these days).

Really?  When did he start practicing with OSU?  I thought it is a violation for a HS athlete to practice with NCAA teams.  

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Fix is 2-0 against NaTo and is easily the favorite the next time they wrestle.

Fix could be 10-0 and the favorite and still have a tough time beating Nato again. The two concepts are not tied together. Of course he’d be the favorite agains a guy he just beat twice, no sht, nobody argues he wouldn’t be. Whether the result would be a foregone conclusion and therefore easy to see happening is another matter.

 

As for your comments about the future, Fix having more upside given youth, etc., care to read the title of the thread you just posted on? Does the word TODAY have any significance to you?

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my point was that gillman is a folk style wrestler that beat NATO with last second heroics... Fix beat NATO using actual freestyle skills... the same skills that NATO showed absolutely no knowledge of... Gillman falls far closer to the NATO side of things than to the Fix side of things... Gillman is going to beat you up physically then snatch a leg up and march you out of bounds... Fix just showed that you need more than that to beat him in the real styles of wrestling... he was not bullied and you need more than one point scores to beat him because he will take you down and he will turn you...

Since Gilman sucks so bad at freestyle and still managed to prove he’s the second best senior freestyler in the world right now, where can I buy some of his stock by the truckload? He must have more upside than JB and Kyle Snyder ever did after their first international senior competition.

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I am buying call options on Fix. Might as well get in on the ground floor before he starts beating Gilman.

Is advise just plain common stock. If not, you better be properly hedged with a collar structure if this thread is any indication or you might lose your shirt. Any call on Fix is priced beyond perfection since he is at worst 50/50 with the world senior silver medalist and an overwhelming favorite to represent the US in a few years.

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