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Fix could be 10-0 and the favorite and still have a tough time beating Nato again. The two concepts are not tied together. Of course he’d be the favorite agains a guy he just beat twice, no sht, nobody argues he wouldn’t be. Whether the result would be a foregone conclusion and therefore easy to see happening is another matter.

 

As for your comments about the future, Fix having more upside given youth, etc., care to read the title of the thread you just posted on? Does the word TODAY have any significance to you?

You didn't say he would have a "tough time" beating him.  Your words were you don't think it's easy to see NaTo beating Gilman.  There's a difference in the two..Close wrestling matches are tough matches, even if it's easy to see somebody winning it (It's easy to see Dake beating Taylor, even if it is a tough match).  Maybe you meant that it would be a close match, which I agree with (and I bet sgallen would too).  But that's not what you posted.

 

On an off topic note:  did you end up hedging the Mayweather/Mcgregor fight?  

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Silly? Learn to read before you call people anything.

 

I said it is not EASY to see Fix beating Nato again, let alone Gilman. Could he? Sure, no sht, since he just did. Is it a gimme, as the word east implies? Absolutely not.

 

I never said he would not beat either guy.

BS, it is the "he lost therefore he must win going forward" argument. Make Gilman arguments and I am on board, but your NATO arguments in FS, are stupid. Perhaps you should hang out more on the college board,

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You didn't say he would have a "tough time" beating him. Your words were you don't think it's easy to see NaTo beating Gilman. There's a difference in the two..Close wrestling matches are tough matches, even if it's easy to see somebody winning it (It's easy to see Dake beating Taylor, even if it is a tough match). Maybe you meant that it would be a close match, which I agree with (and I bet sgallen would too). But that's not what you posted.

 

On an off topic note: did you end up hedging the Mayweather/Mcgregor fight?

LOL, I lost some FB friends because I called them suckers thinking McGregor had a chance in a boxing fight.

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Is advise just plain common stock. If not, you better be properly hedged with a collar structure if this thread is any indication or you might lose your shirt. Any call on Fix is priced beyond perfection since he is at worst 50/50 with the world senior silver medalist and an overwhelming favorite to represent the US in a few years.

I am going with troll, or failing that you have a crush on NATO. Either way you need to stay away from the international forum because you are stupid,

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You didn't say he would have a "tough time" beating him.  Your words were you don't think it's easy to see NaTo beating Gilman.  There's a difference in the two..Close wrestling matches are tough matches, even if it's easy to see somebody winning it (It's easy to see Dake beating Taylor, even if it is a tough match).  Maybe you meant that it would be a close match, which I agree with (and I bet sgallen would too).  But that's not what you posted.

 

On an off topic note:  did you end up hedging the Mayweather/Mcgregor fight?  

 

I don't think the concepts are different. Something that is easy to see happens easily, that's why it's easy to see. It's probably semantics, but it's not easy for me to see Fix beating Nato again, whether by 1 or 10 points. I saw the second match, which was allegedly the "easier" match, and there was absolutely nothing easy about it. It was a 1-point math with the TD in the ending seconds the result of Nato's desperation moves. And Nato got only 1 point because he was such a freestyle newbie that he wasn't able to convert from Fix's quadpod position. 

 

Now on to the May-Mac fight. THAT is an outcome that is easy to see, i.e. Mayweather winning. I ended up losing a small percentage of the total amount wagered off my hedges, mainly because I figured if I was going to go for the big result, I might as well not hedge too much or I'd never make a killing if the unthinkable actually happened. I got McGregor at close to 10:1, then bet the other way but not in fully hedged size a few days from the fight. If I were to do it again, I would've bet some of the prop lines like picking rounds, etc. since it was fairly obvious to me there was practically no chance the fight would end quickly either way. In retrospect, that was the gimme bet that so few took and I should've known better. You live and learn. I'm just happy I didn't lose much money on it. 

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I am going with troll, or failing that you have a crush on NATO. Either way you need to stay away from the international forum because you are stupid,

 

You're right. I know nothing about international wrestling and am just stupid. You are a genius. Fix would annihilate Nato 100 times out of 100 because he beat him twice in one day. It would be easy for him to do it. It is easy to see that the outcome is effectively guaranteed.

 

Therefore, I am the troll and you are the wise one. Your arguments are incredibly compelling. I should hightail it to the college boards immediately.

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BS, it is the "he lost therefore he must win going forward" argument. Make Gilman arguments and I am on board, but your NATO arguments in FS, are stupid. Perhaps you should hang out more on the college board,

 

It's easy to see that you are lost in your own little world where only you know anything about freestyle. Who can argue with the know-it-all who can literally make sht up and attribute it to you? It's like arguing with a dog or a mountain goat, although that's probably offensive to both animals' IQ. In what universe did anyone say Nato would win going forward because he lost? Only in sgallan-land.

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Really?  When did he start practicing with OSU?  I thought it is a violation for a HS athlete to practice with NCAA teams.  

Fix has been going to the RTC in stillwater since he started wrestling... 

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Since Gilman sucks so bad at freestyle and still managed to prove he’s the second best senior freestyler in the world right now, where can I buy some of his stock by the truckload? He must have more upside than JB and Kyle Snyder ever did after their first international senior competition.

during gillman's run this summer, what actual freestyle technique did he show you?

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that was basically his entire efefctiveness... hard hand fighting, stingy defense, and snatching up that leg and marching lesser opponents out of bounds... 

 

what happened when he couldn't bully takahashi around?

nothing happened... he had no other go to... no other weapons...

 

and i like gillman... i like hard tough wrestling... i wish gillman had turned to greco... he would been perfect for it...

 

fact of the matter is, Fix is bar none the best lightweight international prospect we have in this country... he has multiple attacks... never stops wreslting... and one of the nastiest gut techniques on this planet...  

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during gillman's run this summer, what actual freestyle technique did he show you?

Is enough to win the trials and beat everyone but one guy at the worlds an adequate enough answer for you? Did he not score an offensive point or defend against world-class freestyle attacks in the process? Or was I in sgallan-land, high as a kite, imagining things then?

 

I get that Gilman doesn’t exactly wrestle a pretty European style, but saying the second best it in the world has no freestyle technique is a bit much, no?

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Just want to point out that Gilman did not beat everyone but one guy at world's.

 

There were many guys he didn't wrestle, but would lose to in my fantasy matchups.

 

"Living the Dream" purchased that bracket.

USA Wrestling is very corrupt.

Edited by LemonPie

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fact of the matter is, Fix is bar none the best lightweight international prospect we have in this country... he has multiple attacks... never stops wreslting... and one of the nastiest gut techniques on this planet...

 

Holy sht!!! An LJB post I can partially agree with???? I truly must be in sgallan-land now.

 

I do agree with this!!

 

Unfortunately? The title of the thread does include the word TODAY in it, so the relevance can be questioned. Nevertheless, indeed, Fix is the best freestyle prospect at 57 kg in the whole land. True that.

Edited by wrestlingnerd

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Is enough to win the trials and beat everyone but one guy at the worlds an adequate enough answer for you? Did he not score an offensive point or defend against world-class freestyle attacks in the process? Or was I in sgallan-land, high as a kite, imagining things then?

 

I get that Gilman doesn’t exactly wrestle a pretty European style, but saying the second best it in the world has no freestyle technique is a bit much, no?

so, you can not come up with one example... gotcha... thanks

 

he did extremely well with just hard hand fighting... did it better than every lightweight we have had since cujedo... i was cheering for him...  but, he is not a what anyone would call a freestyle wrestler...

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that was basically his entire efefctiveness... hard hand fighting, stingy defense, and snatching up that leg and marching lesser opponents out of bounds...

 

what happened when he couldn't bully takahashi around?

nothing happened... he had no other go to... no other weapons...

 

and i like gillman... i like hard tough wrestling... i wish gillman had turned to greco... he would been perfect for it...

 

fact of the matter is, Fix is bar none the best lightweight international prospect we have in this country... he has multiple attacks... never stops wreslting... and one of the nastiest gut techniques on this planet...

 

Spot on assessment.

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Holy sht!!! An LJB post I can partially agree with???? I truly just be in shaman-land now.

 

I do agree with this!!

 

Unfortunately? The title of the thread does include the word TODAY in it, so the relevance can be questioned. Nevertheless, indeed, Fix is the best freestyle prospect at 57 kg in the whole land. True that.

today, fix can beat gillman... everyone can see that... he proved he can by beating NATO twice yesterday...

 

but, he could just as easily lose...

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He didn’t prove he could beat Gilman but I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for predicting it. He only proved he could beat Nato. I’m not saying that to be an ass, either. I think Gilman is a better defensive wrestler than Nato and a cleaner finisher, therefore a tougher matchup for Fix. I would pick Gilman today (Fix in the not too distant future) because I think he has greater strengths, albeit fewer total strengths. But I’d be nervous and limit any bet to four digits.

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saying he didn't prove he could do it is just being argumentative... he proved he can wrestle with the top folk wrestlers in this country... he proved he has vastly superior technique than the best folk wrestlers in this country... he proved he can not be bullied and is totally fearless... he most definitely proved he could beat gillman...

 

but, he could also lose...

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I can never sign up for the argument that someone proved he could beat a certain guy by beating another. That isn’t sound thinking on any planet other than sgalllan-land. I am not saying Fix couldn’t beat Gilman. I’m just saying he didn’t prove it, and saying so isn’t being argumentative. Did Kyle Dake prove he could beat JB when he beat Tsargush? I suppose ultimately he may have, although it took him half a dozen tries or where’ve it was. Did Marable prove he could beat James Green by beating JB, a much greater wrestler? The overwhelming temptation is to say yes, but in truth, he did not. There are many other such examples, especially when you go outside the US, but I’ll limit it to just these two to make my point. You have to actually do it to actuallly prove it.

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nah... he proved he definitely has the capabilities of beating gillman... has the strength, tehcnique, and will not be bullied... that is pretty much the recipe...

 

whether or not he does will ultimately not be answered until they actually wrestle, but, it is ridiculous to say he there is no way he could beat gillman...

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