Jon_Kozak 335 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 Surprised no one has posted about this. The FRL guys outlined the details of Xander Schultz's PROWL project. Essentially it is changing the world team qualification process and creating a "season" around our guys making the team. Here's is my understanding of the process: Wrestlers qualify for the PROWL season in 1 of 4 ways: Returning world team member US Open Champ Last Chance Qualifier Champ NCAA Champ Those 4 wrestlers enter a round robin tournament taking place over a period of 6 weeks. 1 match every other week until they have wrestled the other 3 wrestlers in their weight class. Half the weight classes wrestle one week, the next half wrestle the following week - so 10 matches an event. The two wrestlers with the best record qualify for the final night (the 7th week) which will be best 2 of 3 with records wiped clean to begin the night-matches from the round robin are not carried over into finals. Obviously a lot of unanswered questions. The FRL guys were pretty negative. Their main point was it does not protect returning medalists and doesn't simulate the world championships. Also, we just won WC so why do we want to change the way we pick our team? I like it-I think it creates incredible intrigue and guarantees the best match-ups. It's at least worth trying now while we have a few years before the Olympic year. Also, the winning wrestler gets $50,000...4th place gets $10,000. Don't recall what the other place winners would receive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,023 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 I like it. But it’s too different to really take flight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superbowlhomeboy 235 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 But is USA Wrestling actually thinking of using this or is it just a new league with high profile matches and competitors? 2 GranbyTroll and Jon_Kozak reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,198 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 Not that I don't think the qualification process can't be improved, but hard to argue with the FS team we put together this last Worlds. 2 denger and rd149 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon_Kozak 335 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 But is USA Wrestling actually thinking of using this or is it just a new league with high profile matches and competitors? Yes this will be in place starting this next year from my understanding. So this is the format that will determine our world team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superbowlhomeboy 235 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 What about this year's WTT said "hey, we need to change this?" It went great. We put out the right team (sorry DT) and won the World Championship. We're good. Let's roll! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Witherman 385 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 having our best athletes make wake 3 or 4 out of a 7 week stretch is absolutely asinine and I feel this was not brought home hard enough. yes, they hammered on the fact that it doesn't simulate the two day weigh in but anyone on that team that is making a substantial weight cut is going to suffer because of this change. other than the making weight issue, I really don't like them butchering the WTT/OTT experience. everything we do in wrestling is tournament format. hell we stop wrestling round robins in like 3rd grade. why move completely away from how everything else in the sport is done? take into account the fact that you are cutting out half or more of the field of competitors, you're giving a big middle finger to the regional qualifying tournaments, and you're asking entire teams with coaches, athletes, support folks etc. to travel around on some parade around the country when you already have just a handful of RTC's that are operating in the black. all for what? a little bit of cash? keep your cash xander and novagratz. count me out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinnum 850 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 Wrestlers qualify for the PROWL season in 1 of 4 ways: Returning world team member US Open Champ Last Chance Qualifier Champ NCAA Champ Those 4 wrestlers enter a round robin tournament I am confused. There will be four athletes that qualify for the round robin portion at each weight? What if the Returning World Team Member is the US Open Champ? Who gets the NCAA Champ slot at 57kg? Is it 125 or 133? What about 65kg? Is it 133, 141, or 149? I don't understand why NCAA champions are getting priority in qualification. Seems like full-time wrestlers post-college who are focused on making the world team are actually at a disadvantage in qualification. 3 Yellow_Medal, BigTenFanboy and silver-medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 This has no chance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 I haven't listened to the FRL yet. Who is broadcasting this? Flo? Or PROWL itself with pay-per-view? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rpm002 193 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 Yes this will be in place starting this next year from my understanding. So this is the format that will determine our world team. I have no inside information, but I'm almost 100% sure this is wrong. PROWL is a private entity that aims to make wrestling more popular and make money. Maybe if it is successful, they will work together with US Wrestling, but I don't think US Wrestling is going to determine their world team members in a drastically different way just because an unproven start-up tells them they should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 I am confused. There will be four athletes that qualify for the round robin portion at each weight? What if the Returning World Team Member is the US Open Champ? Who gets the NCAA Champ slot at 57kg? Is it 125 or 133? What about 65kg? Is it 133, 141, or 149? I don't understand why NCAA champions are getting priority in qualification. Seems like full-time wrestlers post-college who are focused on making the world team are actually at a disadvantage in qualification. Also what if multiple NCAA Champs are in the same weight class? Are weight classes limited to 4 wrestlers per weight? 1 GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 this system is a disaster... i was horrified listening to FRL yesterday... 1 Witherman reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 this system is a disaster... i was horrified listening to FRL yesterday... Would this system prepare our wrestlers better for International competition than say... Folkstyle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 *yawn* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) *yawn* Lol... you just cant say anything positive about Folk can you! =) I tried... oh well... Fail on my part! Edited October 13, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superbowlhomeboy 235 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) I have no inside information, but I'm almost 100% sure this is wrong. PROWL is a private entity that aims to make wrestling more popular and make money. Maybe if it is successful, they will work together with US Wrestling, but I don't think US Wrestling is going to determine their world team members in a drastically different way just because an unproven start-up tells them they should. I'm with you. There is no way this information is accurate. I don't trust anything Flo has to say about their competitors, and from the looks of it, PROWL will be a competitor to Flo. PROWL's website is prowl.tv . I'm guessing they are planning on broadcasting these events on their own. Edited October 13, 2017 by superbowlhomeboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 Lol... you just cant say anything positive about Folk can you! =) I tried... oh well... Fail on my part! folk is better than basketball... there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 folk is better than basketball... there... What about Prowl? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 what about it? PROWL is not a style... it is an organization... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 what about it? PROWL is not a style... it is an organization... Is wrestling in the organization known as PROWL better preparation for the Olympics and Worlds than wrestling in the organization known as the NCAA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 fish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) fish Tuna? Salmon? Tilapia? Halibut? Perch? Red Snapper? Trout? Yellowfin? Walleye? Mahi Mahi? or my personal favorite Sea Bass? All excellent sources of protein which I agree would certainly help wrestlers prepare for Worlds and Olympics. Edited October 13, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonBryant 2,170 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 PROWL is looking at major TV networks for the venture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 13, 2017 you do realize that almost all "sea bass" is actually patagonian toothfish... which, fits your MO to a tee... 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
