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#21 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:20 AM

what about it?

 

PROWL is not a style... it is an organization... 

 

Is wrestling in the organization known as PROWL better preparation for the Olympics and Worlds than wrestling in the organization known as the NCAA?



#22 LJB

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:24 AM

fish



#23 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:27 AM

fish

 

Tuna? Salmon? Tilapia? Halibut? Perch? Red Snapper? Trout? Yellowfin? Walleye? Mahi Mahi? or my personal favorite Sea Bass?

 

All excellent sources of protein which I agree would certainly help wrestlers prepare for Worlds and Olympics.


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#24 JasonBryant

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:30 AM

PROWL is looking at major TV networks for the venture. 


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#25 LJB

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:30 AM

you do realize that almost all "sea bass" is actually patagonian toothfish...

 

which, fits your MO to a tee...


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#26 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:33 AM

you do realize that almost all "sea bass" is actually patagonian toothfish...

 

which, fits your MO to a tee...

 

And its delicious!



#27 steamboat_charlie

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:38 AM

Wait, what is this? Is it actually happening, or just a proposal at this point?


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#28 Witherman

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:49 AM

Wait, what is this? Is it actually happening, or just a proposal at this point?

 

dunno. the way flo was talking about it was a done deal, also the way tony ramos is defending it like crazy on twitter right now makes it seem that way as well.

 

someone in this thread brought up a great point though, Prowl and Flo would technically be competitors and I didn't think about it that way.



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:52 AM

i did not get the sense it was a done deal... 


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#30 IronChef

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:36 AM

Is there a path to profitability here? 



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:44 AM

only if they can actually sell TV rights, which, if they could, i would be on board with using this format as a way to pick next years team only as a way of launching a more sustainable pro wrestling league than previous attempts...

 

but using this system long term to decide our world teams is no less horrifying today than when i initially heard it yesterday...



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:03 AM

I have a couple problems with this.  

 

1. This is a very stupid way to decide a world team.  You want 4 separate weight weigh ins over 7 weeks?  That makes no sense.

 

2. Only wrestling one match at a time is not a good simulation of the world or olympic tournament. 

 

3.  The field for WTT qualification is way too small.  Why does an NCAA champion get in over the #3 at the US open (assuming #2 wins the last chance qualifier).  9 out of 10 times #3 at the US open is better than an NCAA champion.  NCAA wrestling isn't even in freestyle or folkstyle, and there are 10 NCAA weights while only 8 freestyle.  

 

4.  There is a huge conflict of interesting by having Matt Novogratz run the WTT qualification system. I'm generally in favor of trying new ideas because if it is clear that they are bad ideas, it's always possible to go back to the old system.  Having the younger brother of the guy funding USA wrestling now want to control the qualification process as a media venture will make it extremely difficult for USAW to drop this if/when they decide this is bad. 


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:14 AM

There is a problem, because the weights do not line up properly.

 

125 / 125.7 (57)

133 / 134.5 (61)

141 / 143.3 (65)

149 / 

157 / 154.3 (70)

165 / 163.1 (74)

174 / 174.2 (79)

184 / 189.6 (86)

197 / 202.8 (92)

285 / 213.8 (97) & 275.6 (125)



#34 Husker_Du

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:13 AM

PROWL is looking at major TV networks for the venture. 

 

not as simple as that.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:03 AM

not as simple as that.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:10 AM

not as simple as that.

Of course someone from Flo would say that. Please explain why wrestling won't work on major networks and why Flo is the best avenue.

You can tell me this isn't a competitor for Flo, but who broadcast the WTT's this year and who would be broadcasting it if this happens? Maybe "competitor" isn't the right word, but these two groups certainly have opposing interests. We're not dumb. This would not be good for Flo's business as they would lose a marquee event.

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#37 Billyhoyle

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:20 AM

Of course someone from Flo would say that. Please explain why wrestling won't work on major networks and why Flo is the best avenue.

You can tell me this isn't a competitor for Flo, but who broadcast the WTT's this year and who would be broadcasting it if this happens? Maybe "competitor" isn't the right word, but these two groups certainly have opposing interests. We're not dumb. This would not be good for Flo's business as they would lose a marquee event.

I'd love to see the WTT on TV, but I don't think a 6 week round robin tournament will draw any interest at all. The point of the WTT should be to put together the best world team, end of discussion. This format does not do that and it damages the trials process in order to revive what has repeatedly been a failed idea (professional wrestling league).  

 

You won't have a successful professional wrestling league without actually having the best wrestlers in the world, period.  If UWW planned out some type of league that included the best in the world and culminated in the world championships, that would be something to watch.  

 

 

Of course someone from Flo would say that. Please explain why wrestling won't work on major networks and why Flo is the best avenue.

You can tell me this isn't a competitor for Flo, but who broadcast the WTT's this year and who would be broadcasting it if this happens? Maybe "competitor" isn't the right word, but these two groups certainly have opposing interests. We're not dumb. This would not be good for Flo's business as they would lose a marquee event.

 
You're right that the people who work for flo have a conflict of interest.  I do not though and think this idea is nonsense.  Would it even be on the table if the person running it isn't the brother of the guy funding USAW? 

Edited by Billyhoyle, 13 October 2017 - 10:23 AM.


#38 Yellow_Medal

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:23 AM

I have a couple problems with this.

3. The field for WTT qualification is way too small. Why does an NCAA champion get in over the #3 at the US open (assuming #2 wins the last chance qualifier). 9 out of 10 times #3 at the US open is better than an NCAA champion. NCAA wrestling isn't even in freestyle or folkstyle, and there are 10 NCAA weights while only 8 freestyle.

Also, could NCAA champs even accept the prize money, or could it be placed in escrow like for Snyder?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:42 AM

Why on earth would they want to compete with or alienate flo, the best thing wrestling has going in terms of retaining its base as fans? Flo facilitated my transition from former wrestler to rabid wrestling fan. If they want, as they claim, to help grow wrestling and inject cash into the sport's top levels, then undercutting flo seems counterintuitive. Now, I'm not saying that flo is God's gift to wrestling, and I also have considered the angle that competition will be good for flo in the long run. However, cooperating with and seeking input from flo, the rtc coaches, the athletes, among other stakeholders seems like it might be better for the future of the sport


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:22 PM

I have no inside information, but I'm almost 100% sure this is wrong.  PROWL is a private entity that aims to make wrestling more popular and make money.  Maybe if it is successful, they will work together with US Wrestling, but I don't think US Wrestling is going to determine their world team members in a drastically different way just because an unproven start-up tells them they should.

 

So you have no inside information but are almost 100% sure...great logic. The way flo was reporting, it sounded like a done deal.

 

Also, USA wrestling is not doing it because a start-up told them to, they're doing it because of $$$$$$ 

 

Sounded like USA wrestling would be getting at least $500,000 






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