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#61 rpm002

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 04:25 PM

Molinaro was very close to medalling in the Olympics, but in this format, he would not have been one of the 4 wrestling.

 

Gilman did medal at Worlds, but in this format, he probably would not have qualified.  He did win Last Chance, but only because he was going up against an extremely weak field.  He nearly lost in the final of that event as it was. If guys like NaTo/Graff wrestled him on that day, the odds are good he would not have made the Prowl field of 4.  But Darian Cruz would have.  So please explain to me why this is a good idea.


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#62 broyles_152

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 12:09 AM

With this logic why not have them weight in every day? "If they can't make it, they should probably move up." There's a difference between what these men cut vs what you cut in grade school. Making weight takes extraordinary discipline for many of the people on the team, and moving up isn't an option because there's 20lb between each weight class. It's not a 4lb difference like your grade school days.


I think youre focusing way too much on the fact that i said "we learned this in grade school". By no means am I saying that they are only cutting a couple of pounds to make weight. I am saying that in a format where they have to make weight multiple times they have the choice of either moving up or making the weight. Thats what we learned in grade school. Secondly, they obviously wouldn't make weight everyday. There is a system of every 2 weeks or so being put into play. I'm not saying it will be easy on them, but it may just be how the chips fall. Thats where that decision will have to come into play before the freestyle season begins.

#63 Billyhoyle

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 01:03 AM

I think youre focusing way too much on the fact that i said "we learned this in grade school". By no means am I saying that they are only cutting a couple of pounds to make weight. I am saying that in a format where they have to make weight multiple times they have the choice of either moving up or making the weight. Thats what we learned in grade school. Secondly, they obviously wouldn't make weight everyday. There is a system of every 2 weeks or so being put into play. I'm not saying it will be easy on them, but it may just be how the chips fall. Thats where that decision will have to come into play before the freestyle season begins.

The goal of the WTT should be to identify the best people to make the world team. That means imitating the weigh in system and procedure at worlds. The goal of WTT should not be to create interest in a wrestling league that will only exist because it will be highly subsidized from a billionaire. I'm fine with the wrestling league, but don't make it part of the trials process.

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#64 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 01:10 AM

The goal of the WTT should be to identify the best people to make the world team. That means imitating the weigh in system and procedure at worlds. The goal of WTT should not be to create interest in a wrestling league that will only exist because it will be highly subsidized from a billionaire. I'm fine with the wrestling league, but don't make it part of the trials process.


Agreed. They can even make it a qualifier for the W/OTTs, but it absolutely should not be what sends you to the olympics/worlds.

Edited by BigTenFanboy, 22 October 2017 - 01:10 AM.


#65 broyles_152

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 01:27 AM

The goal of the WTT should be to identify the best people to make the world team. That means imitating the weigh in system and procedure at worlds. The goal of WTT should not be to create interest in a wrestling league that will only exist because it will be highly subsidized from a billionaire. I'm fine with the wrestling league, but don't make it part of the trials process.


I absolutely agree that it shouldn't be apart of the triala process. I was just stating gow i would change it if it had to be that way. I believe were actually more on the same page. I want a pro leauge but not at the peril of our trials

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 02:20 AM

This cuts to the heart of the matter right here.  Since Novogratz is donating to USA Wrestling he seems to have leverage on their decisions.  There is a strong appearance that this leverage is causing USAW to select a  TV deal in favor of Novogratz's relative...

 

If you are going to be a major donor to USAW should it come with strings attached? 

 

Should billionaire donors expect USAW to behave in a certain way?

 

Should philanthropy come with strings attached?

 

When you donate to the local kid's wrestling club do you expect a seat at the table when they decide their schedule or when they choose a vendor?

 

The goal of the WTT should be to identify the best people to make the world team. That means imitating the weigh in system and procedure at worlds. The goal of WTT should not be to create interest in a wrestling league that will only exist because it will be highly subsidized from a billionaire. I'm fine with the wrestling league, but don't make it part of the trials process.


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#67 steamboat_charlie

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 04:38 AM

This cuts to the heart of the matter right here.  Since Novogratz is donating to USA Wrestling he seems to have leverage on their decisions.  There is a strong appearance that this leverage is causing USAW to select a  TV deal in favor of Novogratz's relative...

 

If you are going to be a major donor to USAW should it come with strings attached? 

 

Should billionaire donors expect USAW to behave in a certain way?

 

Should philanthropy come with strings attached?

 

When you donate to the local kid's wrestling club do you expect a seat at the table when they decide their schedule or when they choose a vendor?

 

I know he's honorary chair of USWF, but does anyone beyond that the nature of his involvement with USAW? 

 

It's not at all abnormal for significant donors to have influence on 501©(3)'s organizations.  It's the responsibility of the USAW management, Board of Directors, Executive Committee, et al, to oversee the operation and ensure that pressure from third parties doesn't work counter to the interests of the organization.  



#68 rpm002

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:07 AM

Looks to me we have confirmation that some form of PROWL will be happening in 2018.

 

See here http://usawevents.sportngin.com/events and note that there are 3 entries for  Final X: Senior Freestyle World Team Trials on June 9, 16, and 23.

 

That would seem to jive with the idea of 4 wrestlers participating in a round robin tournament on those 3 days to get to the "Final X" who make the Senior National team.

 

There is also US Open: Senior Nationals in late April and Senior Freestyle World Team Trials Challenge Tournament in mid May.   

 

I still have a lot of questions (similar to those discussed earlier in this discussion) about how exactly the 4 are chosen.  For example, what if a world team member and 2 NCAA champions all want to wrestle at the same weight (along with the winners of the April/May tournaments, obviously)?  Do you make the 2 NCAA champions have a wrestle off to see who gets the spot? If so, when does that happen?  At the Challenge Tournament?  What about the new weights with no world team member returning?  Do you take the 2nd place finisher from the US Open?  Or 2nd place from the challenge tournament? (Definitely need to wrestle for True Second then).  And of course, how do weigh ins work for all these events?  Is there any allowance?  What happens if someone doesn't make weight/gets hurt?






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