WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 On coaching the lighter weights I will have to give the edge to the Brands Brothers. Penn State does have Cody Sanderson who wrestled for the Title twice. No slouch at all. Would be nice to see Penn State get a bit tougher in the lower weights. What do they need to do to shore it up for a few more champs there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 336 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 Minnesota has had 5 AAs during the same time frame. The same as PSU. 2 of those 5 AAs finished behind PSU at 125. At 197 PSU has AA'ed 4x placing 1,2,3 and 5. They also have a head to head win over Kyle Snyder in the Big Ten Finals in 2015. Again 197 not a weak weight for PSU. BTF, your stats are wrong. Minny had six AAs at 125, not five. And at 197 PSU placed 1,2,3,7, not 1,2,3,5. I'll sum it up for again since you evidently didn't read my original post. 125/197 during Cael's tenure; Minny 13AAs, Iowa 11, Penn State 9. 133, 141, and heavyweight are significantly worse comparisons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) BTF, your stats are wrong. Minny had six AAs at 125, not five. And at 197 PSU placed 1,2,3,7, not 1,2,3,5. I'll sum it up for again since you evidently didn't read my original post. 125/197 during Cael's tenure; Minny 13AAs, Iowa 11, Penn State 9. 133, 141, and heavyweight are significantly worse comparisons. Error on my part regarding 197. I was looking at the wrong Consolation bracket. McIntosh finished 7th and not 5th his sophomore season. However I did read your original post and you included tOSU and OSU when claiming that PSU was weak in those weights. I stand by my original statement that PSU is not weak in those weight classes when compared to those 4 other schools mentioned. If you want to say that PSU has not performed as well as Iowa and Minn in those weights that is more than fair, however it doesn't mean that they were significantly "weaker" than the 4 schools you mentioned originally. Edited October 16, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 336 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 125, 133, 141, 197, and hvy have been weak weights for Penn State compared to the big four (Minny, Iowa, Okie State, OH St). ... Above is my quote and here are the stats for Cael's tenure 2010-2017: MN................30 AAs (125- 2,3,5,5,6,7) (133- 1,4,4,5,6) (141- 3,7,7,8) (197- 2,3,3,4,5,5,7,8) (hvy- 1,1,2,7,7,7,8) IA---------------25 AAs (125-1,1,2,2,3,4,5) (133-1,1,2,2,2,2,3) (141- 2,2,4) (197- 4,5,7,8) (hvy- 4,5,5,7) Okie St--------19 AAs (125-4,7) (133- 1,2,2,5,5) (141- 1,1,2) (197-2,3,6,7,8) (hvy- 2,3,6,8) OH St----------16 AAs (125-1,3,8) (133-1,1,3) (141-1,1,3,3,6) (197-2,2,3) (hvy-1,1) PSU------------15 AAs (125- 1,2,2,3,7) (133-3,5,6) (141-5) (197-1,2,3,7) (hvy-5,6) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Above is my quote and here are the stats for Cael's tenure 2010-2017: MN................30 AAs (125- 2,3,5,5,6,7) (133- 1,4,4,5,6) (141- 3,7,7,8) (197- 2,3,3,4,5,5,7,8) (hvy- 1,1,2,7,7,7,8) IA---------------25 AAs (125-1,1,2,2,3,4,5) (133-1,1,2,2,2,2,3) (141- 2,2,4) (197- 4,5,7,8) (hvy- 4,5,5,7) Okie St--------19 AAs (125-4,7) (133- 1,2,2,5,5) (141- 1,1,2) (197-2,3,6,7,8) (hvy- 2,3,6,8) OH St----------16 AAs (125-1,3,8) (133-1,1,3) (141-1,1,3,3,6) (197-2,2,3) (hvy-1,1) PSU------------15 AAs (125- 1,2,2,3,7) (133-3,5,6) (141-5) (197-1,2,3,7) (hvy-5,6) Yes! And I am saying 197 and even more so 125 in particular should not be in that group of weight classes! Your argument actually becomes MUCH stronger if you remove 125! When you remove 125 those numbers become MN - 24 IA - 18 OSU - 17 tOSU - 13 PSU - 10 The gap between PSU and the rest of those schools just widened! Now remove 197 MN - 16 IA - 14 OSU - 12 tOSU - 10 PSU - 6 Again the gap is now even wider! PSU has outperformed 2 of the 4 schools mentioned in both 125 and 197. They outperformed OSU and tOSU at 125 and they outperformed tOSU and IA at 197. Neither weight is weak compared to the 4 schools that you mentioned in your original post! Using your same logic you could say that against MN PSU is weak at 133,141,174, and 285 because MN had a total of 20 AA while PSU had 13 AA, when we all know 174 has been one of PSU's best! I will state this again. If you remove 125 and 197 and go with 133, 141 and 285 only, your original argument of weak weights for PSU becomes an even stronger more valid argument! Edited October 16, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 Penn State has AVERAGED a staggering almost inconceivable 91 more points than Minny the past two years at NCAA. Mind blowing, I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 336 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 Which shows the weakness of NCAA tournament scoring when Minny doubles the number of AAs, but yet Penn State can dominate the field with just five weight classes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,218 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 Tournament scoring in folkstyle overemphasizes bonus points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 Which shows the weakness of NCAA tournament scoring when Minny doubles the number of AAs, but yet Penn State can dominate the field with just five weight classes. What year did Minny double the number of AA'S that PSU earned yet still finish behind hem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Tournament scoring in folkstyle overemphasizes bonus points. Dual meet scoring does too. 3 points for a decision, 6 points for a pin. In fact wrestling in general when it comes to team points is all about bonus points. In a dual.. team 1 wins 6 matches by decision. 18 points. Team 2 wins 4 matches by pin. 24 points. Edited October 17, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 Which shows the weakness of NCAA tournament scoring when Minny doubles the number of AAs, but yet Penn State can dominate the field with just five weight classes. Pins. Bonus Points. Champions. Add them up and you generally beat the other guys. I say generally because Minnehaha did win an NCAA title with no champions at all one year, didn't they? Wasn't everyone on the team AA that year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 Which shows the weakness of NCAA tournament scoring when Minny doubles the number of AAs, but yet Penn State can dominate the field with just five weight classes. That is jibberish, even for you. Minny had fewer AA than PSU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 That is jibberish, even for you. Minny had fewer AA than PSU. I'm still waiting to hear about the year that PSU won Nationals where Minny had twice the AA's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 I'm still waiting to hear about the year that PSU won Nationals where Minny had twice the AA's. JammieJibberish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) JammieJibberishHey hey hey.. you shouldn't be quoting/replying directly to posts you made... I mean I made.. I mean you made... we're supposed to be the same person remember? LOL. Oops! You, mean I, I mean you did it again! Edited October 17, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Hey hey hey.. you shouldn't be quoting/replying directly to posts you made... I mean I made.. I mean you made... we're supposed to be the same person remember? LOL. Oops! You, mean I, I mean you did it again! That guy and 4 screen names is/are just projecting with that silliness. Edited October 17, 2017 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 336 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 How many times do I need to post this? Doesn't anyone remember the storyline, 2010-2017 number of AAs? Penn State has won six titles with half the number of Minny's. Minny 30 AAs PSU....15 Aas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) How many times do I need to post this? Doesn't anyone remember the storyline, 2010-2017 number of AAs? Penn State has won six titles with half the number of Minny's. Minny 30 AAs PSU....15 Aas How many times do I have to post it. 9 of those 15 AAs were at 125 and 197.With 125 and 197 Minny has 2x the AAs PSU has in those weights. Remove 125 and 197 Minny has almost 3x the AAs PSU had. Someone needs to go back to 6th grade math. Now PSU did not win 6 NCAA team titles with only 15 AAs. They had 15 AAs at 125,133,141,197,and 285. You seem to have forgotten 149,157,165,174 and 184 when you say PSU won all those titles with half the AAs. Edited October 17, 2017 by BigTenFanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 How many times do I need to post this? Doesn't anyone remember the storyline, 2010-2017 number of AAs? Penn State has won six titles with half the number of Minny's. Minny 30 AAs PSU....15 Aas Your trolling effort here is to be admired. By other trolls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,978 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 How many times do I need to post this? Doesn't anyone remember the storyline, 2010-2017 number of AAs? Penn State has won six titles with half the number of Minny's. Minny 30 AAs PSU....15 Aas For the sake of accuracy: 2010-2017 AA's PSU-43 Minn-42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 For the sake of accuracy: 2010-2017 AA's PSU-43 Minn-42 And for the sake of context - PSU 6 of last 7 NCAA Titles Minnehaha NONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingFan89 246 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 And for the sake of context - PSU 6 of last 7 NCAA Titles Minnehaha NONE And for the sake of geography: Minnehaha is the most populated county in the state of South Dakota. 2 PhiferFuqua and LaxHawk174 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,872 Report post Posted October 17, 2017 And for the sake of anime: Kamehameha is the ultimate technique Son Goku uses in Dragonball (Z): 1 LaxHawk174 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
