The end of today's FRL and the implications for college wrestling

[VakAttack 3,994]

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/63123-frl-243-we-heard-the-gilman-tapes-mark-vs-zahid-ncaa-cheaters

 

There are some pretty serious implications to be made from this episode.  The discussion starts around 50:00, but it starts getting really juicy aroun 1:01:30 or so.  The direct statements are related to schools offering to pay back loans thru the RTCs.  They very specifically say nobody wants to put their name on it, and they worry it will bring down the whole RTC system, etc, but it's a pretty reasonable inference that Penn State is at least one of the schools doing this, considering their RTC has, by far, the most money and thus ability to pay the kids this way.  I have no illusions that other schools, including possibly Iowa, may be doing the same thing.  I honestly don't have a whole lot of problem with it in general, as long as the option is open to everyone in general.  Any thoughts on the topic and discussion from FRL?

[Gantry 1,872]

Here's a link to just the recruiting discussion:

 

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1265499-frl-short-ncaa-cheaters-verbal-haters-have-us-fired-up#.WgH4-miPJPY

 

Though the first part is about early verbals and not the RTC stuff. 

Edited November 7, 2017 by Gantry

[Pinnum 836]

This is a serious accusation of a major NCAA infraction.

 

This makes scholarships limits mean nothing.

[WrestlingFan89 246]

I believe 2 other Big 10 (not Iowa) and a Big 12 school seem to be suspicious. It also seems odd that one particular Ivy school continues to land a high number of blue chippers with no athletic aid.

[wrestlingnerd 3,000]

I’m a fan of RTCs because they help prolong post-grad careers and help in the development of our athletes at the senior level, but RTCs are generally bad for college wrestling to begin with. They exacerbate an already huge have-have-not problem and make a mockery out of parity. If they’re really being used to backdoor money to recruits, they may spell the end of college wrestling.

[TBar1977 4,499]

For several years "We need to find a way to develop our wrestlers into championship Sr level freestyle wrestlers" and "We need to find opportunities for wrestlers beyond college"

 

The RTC's are created. The USA ascends to the very top of the Sr. level wrestling world! 

 

 

Now today "Look at those guys paying post grad wrestlers at their RTC's. Oh, the horrors!!!" 

 

 

LOL at what Hawkeye Report Hysteria can create. Btw, I have the impression from listening to FRL from the beginning that "I heard" is often synonymous with "It was on Hawkeye Report's Message board"

Edited November 7, 2017 by TBar1977

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

Oh good TBar is here to treat the topic in a completely self centered and superficial way. What a great addition to the forum. 

Edited November 7, 2017 by hammerlockthree

[WildTurkey44 321]

For several years "We need to find a way to develop our wrestlers into championship Sr level freestyle wrestlers" and "We need to find opportunities for wrestlers beyond college"

 

The RTC's are created. The USA ascends to the very top of the Sr. level wrestling world!

 

 

Now today "Look at those guys paying post grad wrestlers at their RTC's. Oh, the horrors!!!"

 

 

LOL at what Hawkeye Report Hysteria can create. Btw, I have the impression from listening to FRL from the beginning that "I heard" is often synonymous with "It was on Hawkeye Report's Message board"

This thread is about t what was said on FRL not HR. CP and Willie have their own opinions obviously.

[klehner 731]

I believe 2 other Big 10 (not Iowa) and a Big 12 school seem to be suspicious. It also seems odd that one particular Ivy school continues to land a high number of blue chippers with no athletic aid.

 

Yianni D. committed to Cornell three years ago this month (yes, as a HS sophomore).  You think he was offered something and planned that far ahead?  Vito Arujau committed to Cornell nearly three years ago.  Same question about him.

 

Sometimes, these educations are worth the expense, and the opportunity is too good to pass up.

 

(I have no idea if the FLWC offers these guys anything)

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

So.....Cornell isn't allowed any recruits?

Edited November 8, 2017 by hammerlockthree

[KTG119 820]

Yianni D. committed to Cornell three years ago this month (yes, as a HS sophomore).  You think he was offered something and planned that far ahead?  Vito Arujau committed to Cornell nearly three years ago.  Same question about him.

 

Sometimes, these educations are worth the expense, and the opportunity is too good to pass up.

 

(I have no idea if the FLWC offers these guys anything)

there are folks who know way more on this than I do but seem to recall hearing that while the Ivy schools don't offer athletic scholarships they are often able to craft together nice grant packages for incoming students (not just wrestlers). so I kinda doubt that YD and VA are going to be on the hook for a hundred grand or whatever for that education. 

 

and that's all good and fair in my book.

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

Whatever Cornell does it doesn't equate to anything like 9.9.........

[TBar1977 4,499]

The RTC's actually sign wrestlers to contracts. The wrestlers actually make what to most people who are even halfway successful would consider a small amount of money. Please tell me that nobody here is surprised to learn of this fact? If they are just figuring this out from FRL then they are pretty darn naive as to how the real world works. 

 

Most of these guys could make more money, and in some cases a lot more money, just by moving on with their lives. Staying in wrestling for the amount they make is more about chasing the dream than it is about making sound financial decisions. Most of them would pay off college loans a lot faster by getting out of wrestling rather than staying in it. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by TBar1977

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

The RTC's actually sign wrestlers to contracts. The wrestlers actually make what to most people who are even halfway successful would consider a small amount of money. Please tell me that nobody here is surprised to learn of this fact? If they are just figuring this out from FRL then they are pretty darn naive as to how the real world works. 

 

Most of these guys could make more money, and in some cases a lot more money, just by moving on with their lives. Staying in wrestling for the amount they make is more about chasing the dream than it is about making sound financial decisions. Most of them would pay off college loans a lot faster by getting out of wrestling rather than staying in it. 

 

you don't even understand the topic. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by hammerlockthree

[TBar1977 4,499]

Btw, it is pretty funny that this nonsense is coming out the day before the Early Signing Day for wrestlers. Can't wait until each and every LOI arrives on the PSU wrestling fax tomorrow and that way all the Athletic Dept. calling Vodka swilling lawyers over at Hawkeye Report can start in anew with their never ending hew and cry. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by TBar1977

[paboom 204]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit the bigger RTC's are helping pay off loans.

 

Overall RTC's are helping on the international level but they are hurting the sport on the NCAA level.

 

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[TBar1977 4,499]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit the bigger RTC's are helping pay off loans.

 

Overall RTC's are helping on the international level but they are hurting the sport on the NCAA level.

 

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So when Ohio RTC pays Logie Bear what they owe on his signed contract with them, is that quid pro quo paying off his college loan or are they just paying him a salary?

 

Should Logan be forced to wrestle and receive nothing? Is this what you want? Sounds ridiculous. 

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

Again, you don't know whats being discussed. Go back to the shallow end. 

[Perry 1,423]

Tbar, if you went from being relevant and a perennial contender for an ncaa title to accepting guys like pd3 just to break the top 10 you'd be pretty salty too lol

 

I wonder how Iowa fans will react if the hwc ultimately gets hit from this and they lose guys like Perry and Gilman (though, to be fair, it would probably be a blessing to dump Gilman off somewhere else anyways).

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

Likely better than TBar would if PSU got hit and a half dozen recruits decommitted or transferred out. 

[TBar1977 4,499]

Tbar, if you went from being relevant and a perennial contender for an ncaa title to accepting guys like pd3 just to break the top 10 you'd be pretty salty too lol

 

I wonder how Iowa fans will react if the hwc ultimately gets hit from this and they lose guys like Perry and Gilman (though, to be fair, it would probably be a blessing to dump Gilman off somewhere else anyways).

 

I heard from a friend of mine that knows someone who knows someone else who's cousin is in the know that Mark Perry's coaching gig at HWC is just to help him pay off his outstanding Iowa college loans.

 

They are probably paying off loans right as this thread is going down for not just Gilman, but also for Cory Clark, Alex Meyer and Sammy Brooks. Probably.

 

Everyone knows those guys cheat. They probably learned it all from Gable. Lol.

[hammerlockthree 2,587]

you still don't get it....

[Eagle26 586]

I watched the video, and maybe I am missing something too, but what Tbar is saying actually makes sense to me. If an athlete is competing for an RTC post grad, what is wrong with paying them to do so? The athlete can then use the money to pay off loans, pay rent, food, beer, whatever. On the other hand, if an athlete is promised a certain amount of scholarship money that the school can't provide, and then the RTC reimburses them for that, then that would be a problem if they aren't competing for the club to earn their pay. If they are competing for the RTC and the money is given directly to the athlete, and not directly to pay off the loan, I don't see how they could get in trouble with that

[headshuck 2,589]

Speaking of money, I’d pay TBar to quit lol’ing.

[TBar1977 4,499]

Speaking of money, I’d pay TBar to quit lol’ing.

But watching Hawkeye Report come up with this conspiracy theory is too funny. Then to have Pyles troll them with it ... priceless.