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#21 bigmik

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:38 AM

Yeah its kinda like how Dustin Schlatter just wasn't talented enough.


I wouldn't compare Bo to D. Schlatter. Schlatter was definitely more talented.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:40 AM

Sure, however that has nothing to do with what I said about Zahid or Bo's wrestling talent.

You're absolutely correct - for non-1st place finishers, there's no correlation between wrestling talent and placement at NCAAs.

Incidentally, it's also "backwards day" at my kids school today!


Edited by Fletcher, 09 November 2017 - 03:43 AM.

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#23 hammerlockthree

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:42 AM

I don't mean to get stuck on this but Bo was tearing apart full grown men with middle school moves as a freshmen. The talent is there. I am not judging the guy, I know his plate is full, D1 wrestling is insanely competitive....I just can't let the talent excuse go. 


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:44 AM

I don't mean to get stuck on this but Bo was tearing apart full grown men with middle school moves as a freshmen. The talent is there. I am not judging the guy, I know his plate is full, D1 wrestling is insanely competitive....I just can't let the talent excuse go. 

Jordan Burroughs won olympic gold with middle school moves.


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#25 bigmik

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:46 AM

You're absolutely correct - for non-1st place finishers, there's no correlation between wrestling talent and placement at NCAAs.
Incidentally, it's also "backwards day" at my kids school today!




Funny. Bo is not same type of talent that Zahid is. Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Stieber is. This is not hard.

#26 hammerlockthree

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:49 AM

So you are saying Darian Cruz is not as talented as Logan Stieber?



#27 BobbyGribbs

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:50 AM

Supposedly BoJo has been wrestling through crippling injuries....


And two children at home

#28 hammerlockthree

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:50 AM

And two children at home

 

well those aren't going away so I really don't care. 



#29 bigmik

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:55 AM

So you are saying Darian Cruz is not as talented as Logan Stieber?


Yes. And Bo Jordan is not as talented as Zahid Valencia.

#30 hammerlockthree

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:59 AM

I think you are tending to oversimplify our sport, and in a way that robs it of a lot of its beauty and intrigue. But whatever, doubt I'll change your mind. 



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:03 AM

Funny. Bo is not same type of talent that Zahid is. Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Stieber is. This is not hard.

Though NCAA finish is not always the best way to determine who has more talent, it's usually accurate. For example, Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Steiber is ... and their NCAA finishes confirm this.


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#32 hammerlockthree

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:10 AM

They shouldn't even wrestle the tournament now that we have you guys. How did Bo and Hall split if one is more talented?


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#33 bigmik

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:14 AM

Though NCAA finish is not always the best way to determine who has more talent, it's usually accurate. For example, Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Steiber is ... and their NCAA finishes confirm this.


Sure. Just like the Zahid and Bo's NCAA finishes do not accurately demonstrate the talent gap between the two. This is one of those cases where NCAA finishes do not paint an accurate picture of reality. I think you should understand what I'm saying now.

#34 bigmik

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:15 AM

They shouldn't even wrestle the tournament now that we have you guys. How did Bo and Hall split if one is more talented?


Because the more talented wrestler doesn't always win. Talent alone doesn't determine results.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:19 AM

Bo can split these guys in half like a wishbone. That’s a different type of talent.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:19 AM

Bo Jordan does one thing well--win.  He's exceptional at it and knows how to slow down very slick opponents.  He' s the healthiest he's been since he was a redshirt frosh.  Looking forward to the bout with an understanding that it's early season.  Incidentally, I'm a Zahid Valencia fan as well.  He's dynamite and I'm sorry he didn't win it all last year as he had the most impressive season of anyone at the weight.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:21 AM

Moved.


Edited by Fletcher, 09 November 2017 - 04:23 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:23 AM

Because the more talented wrestler doesn't always win. Talent alone doesn't determine results.

No one's disputed that sometimes the best wrestler doesn't win. We all understand this.

What people are questioning is your statement that Jordan has limited wrestling ability and a mediocre skill set. This shows you are bad at evaluating wrestling talent.


Edited by Fletcher, 09 November 2017 - 04:27 AM.

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#39 bigmik

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:23 AM

Bo Jordan does one thing well--win.  He's exceptional at it and knows how to slow down very slick opponents.  He' s the healthiest he's been since he was a redshirt frosh.  Looking forward to the bout with an understanding that it's early season.  Incidentally, I'm a Zahid Valencia fan as well.  He's dynamite and I'm sorry he didn't win it all last year as he had the most impressive season of anyone at the weight.


Are you aware of the series of matches between Bo and Isaac Jordan?

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:25 AM

Are you aware of the series of matches between Bo and Isaac Jordan?

Yes.  






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