hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 So you are saying Darian Cruz is not as talented as Logan Stieber? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyGribbs 90 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Supposedly BoJo has been wrestling through crippling injuries.... And two children at home Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 And two children at home well those aren't going away so I really don't care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmik 218 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 So you are saying Darian Cruz is not as talented as Logan Stieber? Yes. And Bo Jordan is not as talented as Zahid Valencia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 I think you are tending to oversimplify our sport, and in a way that robs it of a lot of its beauty and intrigue. But whatever, doubt I'll change your mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletcher 1,100 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Funny. Bo is not same type of talent that Zahid is. Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Stieber is. This is not hard. Though NCAA finish is not always the best way to determine who has more talent, it's usually accurate. For example, Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Steiber is ... and their NCAA finishes confirm this. Edited November 9, 2017 by Fletcher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 They shouldn't even wrestle the tournament now that we have you guys. How did Bo and Hall split if one is more talented? 1 BobbyGribbs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmik 218 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Though NCAA finish is not always the best way to determine who has more talent, it's usually accurate. For example, Darian Cruz is not the same type of talent that Logan Steiber is ... and their NCAA finishes confirm this. Sure. Just like the Zahid and Bo's NCAA finishes do not accurately demonstrate the talent gap between the two. This is one of those cases where NCAA finishes do not paint an accurate picture of reality. I think you should understand what I'm saying now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmik 218 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 They shouldn't even wrestle the tournament now that we have you guys. How did Bo and Hall split if one is more talented? Because the more talented wrestler doesn't always win. Talent alone doesn't determine results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Bo can split these guys in half like a wishbone. That’s a different type of talent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Bo Jordan does one thing well--win. He's exceptional at it and knows how to slow down very slick opponents. He' s the healthiest he's been since he was a redshirt frosh. Looking forward to the bout with an understanding that it's early season. Incidentally, I'm a Zahid Valencia fan as well. He's dynamite and I'm sorry he didn't win it all last year as he had the most impressive season of anyone at the weight. 1 NYWRESTLER94 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletcher 1,100 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Moved. Edited November 9, 2017 by Fletcher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletcher 1,100 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Because the more talented wrestler doesn't always win. Talent alone doesn't determine results. No one's disputed that sometimes the best wrestler doesn't win. We all understand this. What people are questioning is your statement that Jordan has limited wrestling ability and a mediocre skill set. This shows you are bad at evaluating wrestling talent. Edited November 9, 2017 by Fletcher 1 rcoates1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmik 218 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Bo Jordan does one thing well--win. He's exceptional at it and knows how to slow down very slick opponents. He' s the healthiest he's been since he was a redshirt frosh. Looking forward to the bout with an understanding that it's early season. Incidentally, I'm a Zahid Valencia fan as well. He's dynamite and I'm sorry he didn't win it all last year as he had the most impressive season of anyone at the weight. Are you aware of the series of matches between Bo and Isaac Jordan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Are you aware of the series of matches between Bo and Isaac Jordan? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmik 218 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 No one's disputed that sometimes the best wrestler doesn't win. We all understand this. What people are disputing is your statement that Jordan has limited wrestling ability and a mediocre skill set. This statement shows you are bad at evaluating wrestling ability. What I said is obviously true. It's not my fault that you don't know what you are talking about. 1 PapaBearSLIM reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Are you aware of the series of matches between Bo and Isaac Jordan?I am and that’s why I feel David Taylor doesn’t have much talent. I mean 0-8 vs Dake who can’t even make the seniors team in what, 4 years? Edited November 9, 2017 by headshuck 4 NYWRESTLER94, LoStNuMbEr, brickhousey and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
preceptor 19 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Is Darian Cruz more talented than Thomas Gillman? Bo Jordan is an elite wrestler. One piece of wrestling that a lot of people tend to miss is the ability to not give up points. Some of these wrestlers are not flashy but they win. I would put Kyle Dake in this category while in college. David Taylor scored a lot more points and was more offensively varied so most people thought well he is more talented. However, the results did not bear that out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 http://www.flowrestling.org/video/764619-165lbs-3rd-place-match-bo-jordan-ohio-state-vs-jackson-morse-illinois#.WgSS_raFTys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmik 218 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 I am and that’s why I feel David Taylor doesn’t have much talent. I mean 0-8 vs Dake who can’t even make the seniors team in what, 4 years? You have fallen very far headshuck. This is not even close to clever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Lighten up. It’s close. 2 squeek and steamboat_charlie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PSUMike 445 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 60/40 Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 436 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 You have fallen very far headshuck. This is not even close to clever. You are so bitter about Bo Jordan. I agree that Zahid and Hall are a tall order, and the possibility exists that he ends up one of the best never to win a title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 Zahid just appears to have a higher ceiling than Bo. Bo looks to be a finished product, while Valencia looks like he's still developing and improving. I can see Valencia winning as many NCAA titles as Bo has AA finishes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 436 Report post Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) That would be a lot of victories over Mark hall and or Bo nickal, but I could see it. Edited November 9, 2017 by madcat11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
