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Well, if he doesn't go uppers with Snyder then he truly has no chance.

You can't take your best wrestling off the table against the best there is and win.

 

 

Yeah OK.  I have seen Snyder improve his lower levels in recent years. Quite a bit. When Coon is grabbing & slapping for control of upper body, or double unders if you will, then Snyder could likely drop to the lower legs. And, of course that is a projection on my part.  

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Yeah OK. I have seen Snyder improve his lower levels in recent years. Quite a bit. When Coon is grabbing & slapping for control of upper body, or double unders if you will, then Snyder could likely drop to the lower legs. And, of course that is a projection on my part.

Well, how else is Coon going to compete with him in this hypothetical world we’re living in in this thread?

 

 

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Well, how else is Coon going to compete with him in this hypothetical world we’re living in in this thread?

 

 

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Don't want to take issue with everything that is stated here on our wonderful wrestling web.

 

Is a lot of what we say and/or predict pretty much assumed/assumption ? A guess of sorts ?

 

This, my friend is subject matter that is not necessarily empirically based. 

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Don't want to take issue with everything that is stated here on our wonderful wrestling web.

 

Is a lot of what we say and/or predict pretty much assumed/assumption ? A guess of sorts ?

 

This, my friend is subject matter that is not necessarily empirically based.

Well data shows Snyder is good.

Data shows Coon digs hooks.

Data shows that Snyder appears to be gooder than Coon’s hooks.

 

Either way Coon is going to dig em’.

 

 

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Well data shows Snyder is good.

Data shows Coon digs hooks.

Data shows that Snyder appears to be gooder than Coon’s hooks.

 

Either way Coon is going to dig em’.

 

 

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Maybe Snyder should watch Morgan McIntosh against Coon before college? McIntosh made him look silly in the match.

If Coon has not improved his game he has not chance to win. If he has and can keep it close and uses his weight on top he has a chance. Maybe not a big one, but it is there. An off day by Snyder and an all out effort by Coon?

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Maybe Snyder should watch Morgan McIntosh against Coon before college? McIntosh made him look silly in the match.

If Coon has not improved his game he has not chance to win. If he has and can keep it close and uses his weight on top he has a chance. Maybe not a big one, but it is there. An off day by Snyder and an all out effort by Coon?

 

I have a chance against Synder too, I have a hard head, we could could bang heads and he'd have to do concussion protocol.  LOL

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People are talking about Coon like he's just a regular guy. Didn't he win some world titles of his own on the Jr stage?

 

Gotta favor Snyder because he has superior technique, quickness. But strength has a place on the mat too. Thing is, I'm not sure that Coon is stronger than Snyder, either.

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People are talking about Coon like he's just a regular guy. Didn't he win some world titles of his own on the Jr stage?

 

Gotta favor Snyder because he has superior technique, quickness. But strength has a place on the mat too. Thing is, I'm not sure that Coon is stronger than Snyder, either.

 

Exactly, Coon is a world class wrestler and pretty darn tough with upper body technique (dah). Plus don't look at the Hall match and think to much.  Hall has a way of making everyone look average.  He wrestles people to a one or two point match all the time.  Even when he loses it is usually very close.  I am not saying Coon can beat Snyder, but I don't think he will, or can, take it as an easy match.

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People are talking about Coon like he's just a regular guy. Didn't he win some world titles of his own on the Jr stage?

 

Gotta favor Snyder because he has superior technique, quickness. But strength has a place on the mat too. Thing is, I'm not sure that Coon is stronger than Snyder, either.

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People are talking about Coon like he's just a regular guy. Didn't he win some world titles of his own on the Jr stage?

 

Gotta favor Snyder because he has superior technique, quickness. But strength has a place on the mat too. Thing is, I'm not sure that Coon is stronger than Snyder, either.

 

When talking about a match up with Snyder he kind of is a regular guy, though he is in good company.  Scary thing is Snyder has gotten better since the last time they wrestled. 

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The reality is Coon has very little chance of beating Snyder, I think we all realize that.  His only chance in my opinion is to force the upper body stuff, make it as much of a greco match as possible.  He needs to take risks that could end up getting him pinned, majored or teched.  A loss is a loss, go down swinging for the fences in this case.  As great as Coon is, and I do think he will go down as one of the best Heavies not to win, he needs to go for broke, has to use his big size advantage to have a shot.  Even the threat of a throw would have to slow Snyder down a bit. I think the more Coon get's to wrestle him this year the better for him, Vegas, dual, big tens, they could meet at a minimum 3 times before ncaa's, if Snyder beats him handily each time, which I expect, he's much more likely to try and hit a big throw and go for the home run.

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The reality is Coon has very little chance of beating Snyder, I think we all realize that.  His only chance in my opinion is to force the upper body stuff, make it as much of a greco match as possible.  He needs to take risks that could end up getting him pinned, majored or teched.  A loss is a loss, go down swinging for the fences in this case.  As great as Coon is, and I do think he will go down as one of the best Heavies not to win, he needs to go for broke, has to use his big size advantage to have a shot.  Even the threat of a throw would have to slow Snyder down a bit. I think the more Coon get's to wrestle him this year the better for him, Vegas, dual, big tens, they could meet at a minimum 3 times before ncaa's, if Snyder beats him handily each time, which I expect, he's much more likely to try and hit a big throw and go for the home run.

If it was me wrestling Snyder, I'd tie him up and put all my weight on him I could. I would NOT shoot on Snyder at all...he's so much quicker he could spin around and get a cheap takedown if you can't get in deep enough (and it's hard to get in deep on a faster wrestler). I'd limit my offense to upper body stuff like bear hugs, lateral drop attempts, stuff like that (I guess I agree with you about the Greco approach, TakedownfromMotown). I'd definitely be using my leverage to push Snyder around on the mat as well if possible. Referees seem to like it, and if Kyle can't make any good shots he might get nailed for passivity...or maybe Snyder would get frustrated and make a bad shot and Coon can get 2 cheap points.

 

Essentially I'd do this: try not to go under for takedowns, try to use my size advantage to push Kyle around/tire him out. And stall, stall, stall.

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The reality is Coon has very little chance of beating Snyder, I think we all realize that.  His only chance in my opinion is to force the upper body stuff, make it as much of a greco match as possible.  He needs to take risks that could end up getting him pinned, majored or teched.  A loss is a loss, go down swinging for the fences in this case.  As great as Coon is, and I do think he will go down as one of the best Heavies not to win, he needs to go for broke, has to use his big size advantage to have a shot.  Even the threat of a throw would have to slow Snyder down a bit. I think the more Coon get's to wrestle him this year the better for him, Vegas, dual, big tens, they could meet at a minimum 3 times before ncaa's, if Snyder beats him handily each time, which I expect, he's much more likely to try and hit a big throw and go for the home run.

 

I agree, upper body looking for a throw is pretty much his best chance. I said earlier you go with your strengths. Even if he doesn't get a fall that is 6 and he is big enough to ride Snyder to kill some more time. I doubt however Snyder will slow down on a throw threat, he is just so tough in the ties and as long as he keeps his feet moving he is hard to load up.  

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If it was me wrestling Snyder, I'd tie him up and put all my weight on him I could. I would NOT shoot on Snyder at all...he's so much quicker he could spin around and get a cheap takedown if you can't get in deep enough (and it's hard to get in deep on a faster wrestler). I'd limit my offense to upper body stuff like bear hugs, lateral drop attempts, stuff like that (I guess I agree with you about the Greco approach, TakedownfromMotown). I'd definitely be using my leverage to push Snyder around on the mat as well if possible. Referees seem to like it, and if Kyle can't make any good shots he might get nailed for passivity...or maybe Snyder would get frustrated and make a bad shot and Coon can get 2 cheap points.

 

Essentially I'd do this: try not to go under for takedowns, try to use my size advantage to push Kyle around/tire him out. And stall, stall, stall.

 

The tactics are good but Snyder is just so good at moving his feet, and creating little position gains, jab fakes, and working both sides, it is hard to get the position, and time, to lean on him. And while he loses some leverage giving up so much weight, for pure strength, and the heaviness of his hands, he is strongest in the weight. Gwiz was the best stylistic match up domestically because he had size and athleticism, but Snyder's pressure, those ridiculous heavy hands and ties, just wore Gwiz down physically and mentally.  To his credit Gwiz had a go to ove in OT, took his shot, and came reasonably close even though he was spent. Alborov seems to be the only guy in the world who can get through a match with Snyder, without being wore down, but even with him Snyder adjusted, got a big lead, and mailed it in in the second. It is why make nickname for Snyder is "lb for lb". :)  

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