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#1 denny

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

I think that it is pretty gutsy that Zeke scheduled Mich. and Ohio State at the beginnings of our college season. 

 

Just notice the enthusiasm that it all has created. Good, bad, and/or indifferent.

 

Personally, I love it. Has answered some questions that I had. Like, could the Sun Devils 'hang' this season with

 

some of the BIG conf. wrestlers ? What do ya think ?

 

 

Let the season roll


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#2 sgallan

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:26 AM

What I got.... 

 

126 is solid. Probable low AA.

133 is potential but a (forever) work in progress.

141 a hole in the line up.The current starter hasn't improved since HS. 

149 is an enigma, capable of beating anybody not named Zain and capable of losing to an under top 20 as well.

157 a grinder who seems to have picked up a tick after last years NCAA performance. A likely AA

165 has no confidence in folkstyle. Worried he might have broken.

174 favorite to win NCAA

184 a young one who when he learns a little patience and tactics has filled a hole.

197 has to learn to wrestle from the bottom. Hardest skill to coach and Zeke isn't real good at it.

HT 2-5 for sure. Brings it in the big tournaments

 

Mat skills, especially on bottom are lacking. 

 

Skills on feet exceptional.

 

Zeke needs to settle down in the corner.

 

Solid recruiting classes are paying off. 

 

Should have 9 qualify for the NCAA's.

 

3-6 AA's. 

 

2 for sure.


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#3 Coach_J

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

What I got.... 

 

126 is solid. Probable low AA.

133 is potential but a (forever) work in progress.

141 a hole in the line up.The current starter hasn't improved since HS. 

149 is an enigma, capable of beating anybody not named Zain and capable of losing to an under top 20 as well.

157 a grinder who seems to have picked up a tick after last years NCAA performance. A likely AA

165 has no confidence in folkstyle. Worried he might have broken.

174 favorite to win NCAA

184 a young one who when he learns a little patience and tactics has filled a hole.

197 has to learn to wrestle from the bottom. Hardest skill to coach and Zeke isn't real good at it.

HT 2-5 for sure. Brings it in the big tournaments

 

Mat skills, especially on bottom are lacking. 

 

Skills on feet exceptional.

 

Zeke needs to settle down in the corner.

 

Solid recruiting classes are paying off. 

 

Should have 9 qualify for the NCAA's.

 

3-6 AA's. 

 

2 for sure.

Dang astute analysis.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:33 AM

 I say wow

 

I really love that overview of the Sun Devil lineup



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:02 PM

I see the sun devils with 4x aa's at 125, 157, 174 and heavy (though I obv didn't base this off the dual with tosu today). Agree that zeke needs to calm down in the corner, he is hard to watch.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:29 PM

What I got.... 
 
126 is solid. Probable low AA.
133 is potential but a (forever) work in progress.
141 a hole in the line up.The current starter hasn't improved since HS. 
149 is an enigma, capable of beating anybody not named Zain and capable of losing to an under top 20 as well.
157 a grinder who seems to have picked up a tick after last years NCAA performance. A likely AA
165 has no confidence in folkstyle. Worried he might have broken.
174 favorite to win NCAA
184 a young one who when he learns a little patience and tactics has filled a hole.
197 has to learn to wrestle from the bottom. Hardest skill to coach and Zeke isn't real good at it.
HT 2-5 for sure. Brings it in the big tournaments
 
Mat skills, especially on bottom are lacking. 
 
Skills on feet exceptional.
 
Zeke needs to settle down in the corner.
 
Solid recruiting classes are paying off. 
 
Should have 9 qualify for the NCAA's.
 
3-6 AA's. 
 
2 for sure.


Maybe one of the best analyses I have ever seen

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:30 PM

Pretty spot on analysis there sgallan...

 

Zeke's level of ref complaining is really over the top, tone it down sir. 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 02:24 PM

Just watch, you may notice it somewhere down the line this season. In that Zeke's mat side behavior will catch up and bite him in the butt.

 

But jeez I hope that it does not 'cost' one of his wrestlers when that does happen. Deductions in the tourneys would/will be hurtful indeed.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 02:41 PM

they aren't gonna be close enough to a trophy to feel a point deduction. 



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 02:42 PM

Just watch, you may notice it somewhere down the line this season. In that Zeke's mat side behavior will catch up and bite him in the butt.

But jeez I hope that it does not 'cost' one of his wrestlers when that does happen. Deductions in the tourneys would/will be hurtful indeed.

It costs them a few points at NCAAs last year, knocking down their team placement

Zeke is an excellent coach, but needs to get his cornering under control.
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#11 hammerlockthree

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 02:46 PM

gallen, 

 

why do you think bottom is the hardest to coach? Cause its a toughness thing? 



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:10 PM

gallen,

why do you think bottom is the hardest to coach? Cause its a toughness thing?

Not to speak for Gallen, but that is for the most part true. You have your rare guys like Taylor who had great hips and the "feel" from the bottom, but most need to treat it like you are drowning and if you don't escape you are going to die.

Go back and watch the Kolat documentary on FLO. What his dad did was nutz, but things like that are more effective than technique in many cases.

Edited by MSU158, 12 November 2017 - 03:10 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:29 PM

Personally, I like the fact that Coach Jones has schedules some of the matches that he has. I think he's trying to show that his program is on the rise. If he can recruit a few more great wrestlers, the Sundevils should be a serious contender for the top spots come March.
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#14 hammerlockthree

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:34 PM

Not to speak for Gallen, but that is for the most part true. You have your rare guys like Taylor who had great hips and the "feel" from the bottom, but most need to treat it like you are drowning and if you don't escape you are going to die.

Go back and watch the Kolat documentary on FLO. What his dad did was nutz, but things like that are more effective than technique in many cases.

 

I don't agree. Part of coaching is recognizing where technique ends and toughness begins, therefore I would divorce the subjects. 



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:58 PM

they aren't gonna be close enough to a trophy to feel a point deduction. 

 

 

Unless, of course they do make some noise (or lots of noise) at tourney time,  and the Devil team would actually "feel a point deduction".



#16 hammerlockthree

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:00 PM

Well yeah....but I'm saying it ain't gonna happen. 



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

Okay


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#18 MSU158

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:23 AM

I don't agree. Part of coaching is recognizing where technique ends and toughness begins, therefore I would divorce the subjects. 

In almost every other aspect, I would agree with you and even in this situation, in part, you are correct.  Feel free to divorce the 2, but you still have to see that technique usually ends quite early with toughness jumping to the forefront almost immediately.  Bottom wrestling IS mostly about will power, tenacity and overall toughness, especially at the DI level.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:58 AM

All its going to take is for Zahid to win his title and pick up a senior level team spot and their recruiting will start to boom. 

If Shields sneaks onto the podium, and Hall makes the finals they are going to be in great shape come recruiting time. 



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:57 AM

Anyone know why Tsirtsis doesn't move back down to 149? Has he grown or is it because he wouldn't start there either?


Edited by Fletcher, 13 November 2017 - 01:58 AM.





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