Ed Ruth Soph. 174 vs Mark Hall Soph. 174

[maccky 1]

If Mark Hall was wrestling same year when Ruth won his first at 174 who wins and when Hall is done will he be considered better then 3x Ruth if Hall doesn't have injuries ?      

[madcat11 420]

You should use the poll function.

 

Ruth for now.

[hammerlockthree 2,084]

ruth majors him. by the time he was a sophomore ruth and taylor were neck and neck for the most dominant wrestler in the NCAA. He could ride, unbelievable at finishing, it'd be bad.

[bigmik 218]

ruth majors him. by the time he was a sophomore ruth and taylor were neck and neck for the most dominant wrestler in the NCAA. He could ride, unbelievable at finishing, it'd be bad.

Is this a joke? In what world is Ed Ruth unbelievable at finishing against someone of Hall's talent and ability? Ruth was a good college wrestler, but he was often times very sloppy. I see Hall making him pay for his regular technical and positional errors. Hall would have a lot to work with because Ruth wrestled hard for seven minutes. You aren't taking into account that most of the guys Ruth dominated were overmatched and were not elite talents.

 

You are putting forth the same flawed argument that people out forth when they talked about Taylor being good enough to beat Dake by major decision. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be surprised, average wrestling knowledge has really taken a significant dive over the past 5-10 years. Too many people who don't understand wrestling are being given jobs and are dumbing down the wrestling population by teaching the wrestlers 2nd-rate-at-best technique.

[hammerlockthree 2,084]

You don't make any points at all....Ruth was definitely on Taylor's level, and he doesn't have to dominate Dake, just mark hall

[bigmik 218]

You don't make any points at all....Ruth was definitely on Taylor's level, and he doesn't have to dominate Dake, just mark hall

So, Ruth was on Taylor's level. What does that have to do with your ridiculous claim that Ed Ruth was unbelievable at finishing against someone of Hall's talent and ability? Btw, I see Taylor struggling with Hall too. Also, I don't see Ed Ruth or Taylor being "more dominant" than Dake.

[hammerlockthree 2,084]

Well for one thing I didn't say that, but if I did I would just point out they out bonused him significantly.

 

My claim that Ed Ruth can finish on Hall is ridiculous? Bo Jordan can do it....You just have too much hype polluting your vision, it's really taking your wrestling IQ down a few levels. 

[bigmik 218]

Well for one thing I didn't say that, but if I did I would just point out they out bonused him significantly.

 

My claim that Ed Ruth can finish on Hall is ridiculous? Bo Jordan can do it....You just have too much hype polluting your vision, it's really taking your wrestling IQ down a few levels.

 

Yes, Hall can be taken down. But the notion that Ruth is going to be able to do it consistently doesn't align with any observable evidence that I've seen thus far. Ed Ruth was not unbelievable at finishing consistently against someone of Hall's talent and ability. The opposite is true. I don't let "hype" cloud my judgment. I don't buy into hype created by people that have no clue what they are talking about. Those are the people usually creating the "hype".

[hammerlockthree 2,084]

I figure it's take three TDs to major Hall, in 7 minutes, with Ruth definitely having the better gas tank? No sweat. 

[cornercoach 448]

....since this is fictional, I will arm Ed with a decoder ring, and Mark with a small piece of Kryptonite in his right sock-   Hall, all day long......

[sgallan 592]

Hall FS, Ruth folk for now.

[gimpeltf 1,640]

Which Ed Ruth?  

[LoStNuMbEr 320]

Yes, Hall can be taken down. But the notion that Ruth is going to be able to do it consistently doesn't align with any observable evidence that I've seen thus far. Ed Ruth was not unbelievable at finishing consistently against someone of Hall's talent and ability. The opposite is true. I don't let "hype" cloud my judgment. I don't buy into hype created by people that have no clue what they are talking about. Those are the people usually creating the "hype".

Ruth was one of the best finishers of recent years.  When he got in on a leg it was typically over

 

I'd take Ruth over hall by a significant margin. 

[TBar1977 3,953]

Ruth only had 3 college L's to my knowledge. Pretty damn good. Of course Taylor TF'd him when they met in freestyle, so there is that data point too. Hall is pretty elite, but he never wins any fantasy matches, so let's go all the way and call it Ruth by TF. 

[tightwaist 390]

Hall is super overrated. He lost 3 matches as a true freshman. Ruth cradles and pins him

[Peso 331]

I would give Ruth a slight edge, but I'm not so confident.  Both are amazing. 

[Ari Gold 47]

Ruth, comfortably.

 

 

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[tightwaist 390]

Ruth, comfortably.

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Right on. Hall may have won 2 world titles, 6 state titles, numerous Fargo titles and a Freshman year NCAA final while significantly undersized, but he is not capable of hanging with past studs at this point. Dude is seriously overrated.

[TBar1977 3,953]

Hall can't even win one crummy fantasy match. Wayyyyy overrated. 

[MSU158 1,614]

Ruth was an injury at NCAA's from being a likely Finalist, and, quite possibly, a 4xer(not sure he beats Reader that year). Considering how he absolutely wrecked the field the next year and avenged the Amuch loss in extreme fashion, I have a hard time picking Hall over him having seen him just lose to Valencia(he may actually be the next Ruth).

 

I know bigmik only endorses strict technique, but Ruth DID finish takedowns at a crazy rate regardless of some suspect technique, similar to McDonough. Some guys just have the length to get to the legs and the strength to finish. Compound that with Hall still looking a bit small for 174 and I gotta go with Ruth.

 

With that said, Hall is one of the most impressive freestyle youngsters I have seen in some time and I do think he would expose Ruth's sloppiness in that style.

Edited December 1, 2017 by MSU158

[Flying-Tiger 617]

Think I would take Ed Ruth over anybody at 174 as a sophomore or younger. As good as he was as a freshman, he made a big jump into his second year and dominated all season. At NCAAs, he scored a tech fall against Storley in the semis and then took apart a very good Amuch 13-2 in the finals. I realize he moved up and won two more titles but that year at 174 may have been the best of his entire college career.

Edited December 1, 2017 by Flying-Tiger

[sgallan 592]

Right on. Hall may have won 2 world titles, 6 state titles, numerous Fargo titles and a Freshman year NCAA final while significantly undersized, but he is not capable of hanging with past studs at this point. Dude is seriously overrated.

No doubt, guy is a scrub.

[hammerlockthree 2,084]

I do confess, I don't think Ruth would have trouble, but I've never been able to get excited about Hall for some reason, and its definitely been a poor policy in terms of the accuracy of my predictions.