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I swear to you I don’t want to argue. I just want you to change your pick.

 

What is number 1 breakfast place in your area? $25 gift card if you please pick someone else

 

 

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For your purposes feel free to say I picked tOSU.  Every PSU fan inaccurately depicts what I predict anyway.  No gift card necessary.

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For your purposes feel free to say I picked tOSU. Every PSU fan inaccurately depicts what I predict anyway. No gift card necessary.

That will not work and you know it. I need you to change your public pick.

 

Yes you come around at the end of the year and get it right. By then its obvious. It’s your preseason picks that have been wrong for 6 out of 7. I believe you did pick tOSU the year they won.

 

That’s why I say you are the jinx. I am not questioning your knowledge of the sport

 

 

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Vak,

I understand. Although I would love to hear your breakdown (or up) RE : " Ohio State wins BIGs."  Thanks

 

Put simply, Ohio State has a more complete lineup that will score points, and importantly placement points throughout, and there will be fewer rounds of wrestling with the smaller brackets, so less opportunity for Penn State's bonus machine to separate them to make up for that gap.

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I could be way off but Pantaleo in particular looks like a guy with a style that could really give Nolf a hard time..

You must have been out of your mind when you made this statement. Do you remember what Zain would do to Pantaleo? Nolf will be just as bad.

 

Enlighten me as to what Pantaleo brings that you think will make it hard on Nolf?

 

 

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You must have been out of your mind when you made this statement. Do you remember what Zain would do to Pantaleo? Nolf will be just as bad.

 

Enlighten me as to what Pantaleo brings that you think will make it hard on Nolf?

 

 

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1) Wrestlers are allowed to get better.  Pantaleo looked in Vegas like a guy who had figured out his own style and was comfortable in it.

2) He's very strong and hard to score on.  His stance and power will slow down Nolf a lot.

3) He's very good at capitalizing on mistakes as we saw vs Berger and Micah.  

 

Watch his video in Vegas.  I'm sure it won't sway you but he looked dmn good.

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Put simply,  Ohio State has a more complete hammer lineup (no secret) that will score points, and importantly placement points throughout, and there will be fewer rounds of wrestling with the smaller brackets, so less opportunity for Penn State's bonus machine to separate them to make up for that gap.

 

 

 

Very good

 

I am committed to the thoughts that hammer wrestling, perhaps 6 this year, will more than compensate for this "placement points" verbiage.  But I get it Vak.

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1) Wrestlers are allowed to get better. Pantaleo looked in Vegas like a guy who had figured out his own style and was comfortable in it.

2) He's very strong and hard to score on. His stance and power will slow down Nolf a lot.

3) He's very good at capitalizing on mistakes as we saw vs Berger and Micah.

 

Watch his video in Vegas. I'm sure it won't sway you but he looked dmn good.

I saw him in Vegas. He had a great tourney. He also got lit up by Clagon, Shields and someone else I missed. Nolf is in a different league. I’m not saying Pantaleo not an AA contender but against Nolf I’d be shocked for anything less than a tech

 

 

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That will not work and you know it. I need you to change your public pick.

 

Yes you come around at the end of the year and get it right. By then its obvious. It’s your preseason picks that have been wrong for 6 out of 7. I believe you did pick tOSU the year they won.

 

That’s why I say you are the jinx. I am not questioning your knowledge of the sport

 

 

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You haven't been around here that long.  The last 2 years I definitely wasn't on the bandwagon early, but they had a lot of unknowns to start each season.  But, their run prior to tOSU I was on PSU start to finish, except for their first year when no one was picking them to beat Cornell, let alone Iowa, pre/early season.  So, no, now I HOPE I actually have some jinx(that I really don't have) just because of your expected inaccuracy!

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tOSU would have to pull a Michigan (referring to their performance so far) for there to be a 30-point gap. I don’t see that as a reasonable outcome.

 

 

I don't think it's likely either but it could happen, for example:

 

1997

Ok St beats Iowa in dual. 

Ok St comes in seeded 1-1-2-2-2-4-5-10-US-US 

Iowa comes in seeded   1-1-1-4-5-6-11-US-US-US

Iowa wins by 50+ 

 

my guess is this one ends up 10 points or less. better even if we get the nail biter scenario...how awesome would it be if it's that tight and they order the finals so the last match is Snyder v Nevills and Snyder need to pin to win team title? Or 184 is last match and Nickal v Martin decides the whole thing? 

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You haven't been around here that long. The last 2 years I definitely wasn't on the bandwagon early, but they had a lot of unknowns to start each season. But, their run prior to tOSU I was on PSU start to finish, except for their first year when no one was picking them to beat Cornell, let alone Iowa, pre/early season. So, no, now I HOPE I actually have some jinx(that I really don't have) just because of your expected inaccuracy!

You’re correct. I’ve been reading this forum from the last David Taylor championship. I don’t recall you picking PSU that year. The next year you picked tOSU and the last 2 yrs you picked Okie State. As far as the years prior to my finding this forum it’s been mentioned by others you picked against PSU then but I can’t comment since I wasn’t here

 

 

I wish you would just pick Okie State again as that has been the magic formula. $25 breakfast coupon still on the table

 

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I see Nolf as a lock but I can see the argument for Panteleo keeping it respectable WHEN HE IS ON. To keep it close with Nolf, you have to have some sort of athletic advantage and know how to exploit it (I’m talking about D1 level athletes only). You’re not going to out-technique him. You’re not going to outsmart him. You’re certainly not going to outlast him. You have to be way stronger and more powerful than him (a la Imart) or so athletic that he can’t just chain together a dozen moves without putting himself at great risk. Pantaleo is one of the most athletic wrestlers st any weight. He is an elite parkour athlete with a tremendous sense of body control and balance. He is strong as hell physically, similar to Imart in build. He can’t touch Nolf technically, and most times, will get overwhelmed physically by attrition. But when he is on, I could see him hanging in there and threatening a few times. He’s also a volatile performer so if Nolf catches him on a bad day, it won’t be pretty.

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PSU has proven too many times that they peak at NCAA's.  That is why I simply can't pick against them.  But, the reason this 2 team race is so intriguing is that tOSU has several guys that have proven they are ready in March as well. tOSU has 3 Seniors that have placed top 3 every year in Snyder, NaTo and BoJo.  They then have a former NC in Martin that is 2 for 2 (1st,5th). 4 guys that are 11 for 11 with only 1 finish outside the top 3 is very strong. You then have 2 more guys that have finished no worse than R12 in McKenna(3rd,R12) and Jordan(R12,4th).  That doesn't even include the favorite at 197 that took 3rd last year as a freshman.  Finally 2 of the remaining 3 have solid NCAA Tournament experience with Pletcher going 2-2 as a freshman up a weight at 141 and Campbell qualifying as a TF and then going 2-2 last season as a True Soph.  That leaves Hayes(he showed he is AA material by beating Thomsen at Cliff Keen) as the only guy on the roster that has no NCAA Tourney experience with every other guy at least winning 2 matches last season.

 

So, I don't think PSU is going to win it because of tOSU folding/underperforming.  They should win it by their best guys continuing to maximize their potential. 110+ out of their big 5.  Another 25 between 197 and 285.  Anything from 125-141 would be gravy.

 

tOSU absolutely has the firepower to beat PSU, but doesn't have the big point locks outside of Snyder to have ANY margin for error.  NaTo, BoJo and Martin taking 3rdish would absolutely not be bad performances, but just wouldn't get tOSU enough points considering there is a 7 point difference between 1st and 3rd without factoring bonus.

 

Honestly, I see 9 AA's out of tOSU, but too many 3rd-5th type finishes to cover the spread.  For them to win, they need at least 3 Champs.  IF, they get 3, PSU will need their 5 again.

Solid post

 

If tOSU gets 9 AAs, they are very likely to win. 

 

They are favorites to win title at 197 and HVWT, plus are serious contenders at 184 and 125. There is an outside chance at 174 and 141. 

 

I think they will not only have 8+ AAs, but likely 6 in the top 4. THAT will be almost impossible to beat.

 

Theoretically, Ohio State could have all of their guys wrestle to seed and still lose to PSU. THAT WOULD BE INSANE. That is likely 10AAs and 2 champs.

 

Craziest year on paper in NCAA recent history. 

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Solid post

 

If tOSU gets 9 AAs, they are very likely to win. 

 

They are favorites to win title at 197 and HVWT, plus are serious contenders at 184 and 125. There is an outside chance at 174 and 141. 

 

I think they will not only have 8+ AAs, but likely 6 in the top 4. THAT will be almost impossible to beat.

 

Theoretically, Ohio State could have all of their guys wrestle to seed and still lose to PSU. THAT WOULD BE INSANE. That is likely 10AAs and 2 champs.

 

Craziest year on paper in NCAA recent history. 

and yet you keep calling PSU the favorites, which is clearly not the case. 

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You’re correct. I’ve been reading this forum from the last David Taylor championship. I don’t recall you picking PSU that year. The next year you picked tOSU and the last 2 yrs you picked Okie State. As far as the years prior to my finding this forum it’s been mentioned by others you picked against PSU then but I can’t comment since I wasn’t here

 

 

I wish you would just pick Okie State again as that has been the magic formula. $25 breakfast coupon still on the table

 

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Nope. Most of it is the simple fact that I like to give scenarios where someone else can win because of the knee jerk reactions I would get from this board's PSU faithful. I may have done it a time or 2 from 2012-2014, but my early picks are always based on returning experience and PSU had way too much for anyone during that run. Even in 2011, it didn't take too long to see that Ruth and Taylor were machines and Cornell wasn't quite where many expected them to be. Still, it did take adding Long for them to be the leaders.

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Pantaleo was interviewed after Vegas.  He said that two things had changed--conditioning and footwork.  Nolf is an incredible offensive talent.  To beat him requires either equal offensive capability plus power (Imart) or a style that can shut you down.  I think Pantaleo could become a guy who will prove near impossible to score on.  Maybe I'm too influenced by what I saw in Vegas?  We'll see.

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Nolf is an incredible offensive talent. To beat him requires either equal offensive capability plus power (Imart) or a style that can shut you down. I think Pantaleo could become a guy who will prove near impossible to score on.

He has the athleticism to develop into that. But then how does he win? Shutting Nolf down is a recipe for keeping it close. I suppose he could snake Nolf one time. Panteleo has the explosiveness to be able to blast someone to their ass when he hits a perfect shot. But isn’t that just as likely as Sorensen finally getting over the hump with Zain one time, i.e. very unlikely? I see Nolf and Zain as equally likely to repeat.

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I think Pantaleo could become a guy who will prove near impossible to score on. Maybe I'm too influenced by what I saw in Vegas? We'll see.

Many worse guys than Nolf score on him. Then you are also forgetting one thing that makes it a nightmare matchup. Pantaleo is not good on bottom and Nolf will turn him if he chooses to. Just depends whether Nolf wants to take him down and let him up or drill him into the ground like Zain

 

This is no disrespect to Pantaleo. I just think Nolf is the most complete folk style wrestler I’ve ever watched

 

 

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Nope. Most of it is the simple fact that I like to give scenarios where someone else can win because of the knee jerk reactions I would get from this board's PSU faithful. I may have done it a time or 2 from 2012-2014, but my early picks are always based on returning experience and PSU had way too much for anyone during that run. Even in 2011, it didn't take too long to see that Ruth and Taylor were machines and Cornell wasn't quite where many expected them to be. Still, it did take adding Long for them to be the leaders.

 

Who are you kidding, I think you have done it every year since you joined this forum. I remember debating with you in 2015-16 about how OSU would win along with the guarantee Kilmara would AA. Every year PSU was favored, it was the same argument, you would line up Penn State's lineup next to the most likely contender and then proceed to put forth a best case scenario for the other team while taking a worst case scenario for PSU and then saying how there was nothing unreasonable about it. Then I would call you out by pointing to the obvious flaws in your logic and then be proven correct in March. It has almost become a tradition on themat.  

 

In other news:

 

Nolf will destroy Pantaleo, how is that even a debate?

 

Since so many are putting forth tOSU best case scenario, here is Penn State's:

 

133: low AA/RD 12

141: low to mid AA

149: National Champion

157: National Champion

165: National Champion

174: National Champion

184: National Champion

197: Mid-High AA

285: High AA (Finalist) 

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Who are you kidding, I think you have done it every year since you joined this forum. I remember debating with you in 2015-16 about how you said OSU could win along with the guarantee Kilmara would AA. Every year it was the same argument, you would line up Penn State's lineup next to the most likely contender and then proceed to put forth a best case scenario for the other team while taking a worst case scenario for PSU and then saying how there was nothing unreasonable about it. Then I would call you out on it and be proven correct in March.

 

Nolf will destroy Pantelone, how is that even a debate?

 

Since everyone if putting forth tOSU best case scenario, here is Penn States:

 

133: low AA/RD 12

141: low to mid AA

149: National Champion

157: National Champion

165: National Chmapion

174: National Champion

184: National Champion

197: Mid-High AA

285: High AA (Finalist)

Agree with all as long as it’s NLee at 141. I see Cortez as 1 win max at tourney

 

 

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1) Wrestlers are allowed to get better. Pantaleo looked in Vegas like a guy who had figured out his own style and was comfortable in it.

2) He's very strong and hard to score on. His stance and power will slow down Nolf a lot.

3) He's very good at capitalizing on mistakes as we saw vs Berger and Micah.

 

Watch his video in Vegas. I'm sure it won't sway you but he looked dmn good.

Major at the minumum.

 

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I swear to you I don’t want to argue. I just want you to change your pick.

 

What is number 1 breakfast place in your area? $25 gift card if you please pick someone else

 

 

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Better be careful as a $25 coupon is almost worthless at some fine French restaurants where a good breakfast can set you back $350 or so - before anything on the wine list.

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Key question: who is worse off, Nato or Cenzo? We know Nato got dinged up pretty good and even saw the injury on tape. Rumor is Cenzo is struggling with weight (per Flo Rsdio). Nato too has a rough cut which got a lot rougher when he dinged up his knee (how do you even cut weight without a knee). It looks like they’re both gong to miss a similar amount of time and get started with their seasons around the same time.

 

These unknowns add even more drama to it all.

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