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#1 fanta

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:22 AM

Word around the campfire is, California will boycott the Ironman tournament because of the Nevills mishap.

 

I don't think any of the East coast schools will care.  What say you?



#2 hammerlockthree

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 02:13 PM

When Ohio abandoned the Beast, it elevated Ironman above it. Not sure there is a similar effect here. 



#3 AnklePicker

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:37 AM

Also hurt the Beast when NY left.  Ohio is once again represented at the Beast with St Paris Graham back amongst others.  It would be nice to bring the Beast back to the top because teams from NJ (besides Blair) would be eligible to compete.  

 

I think the East Coast teams love having Cali teams come east.  Just makes for better competition.



#4 superbowlhomeboy

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:11 AM

I'm pretty sure Jeff Jordan said on Saturday that they will not be attending the Beast. 



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:15 AM

NY has difficulty leaving the state for anything (not just wrestling) where there are Prep schools involved. 

I think Ohio is limited to bordering states for the most part (Lebron James rule) other than I think once per year or two. When Blair and Ed wrestled, they had to find a place in Pa to have the meet.



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:37 AM

An entire state boycotting because one kid didn't pass a skin check? Sounds like cutting off your head to fix a tooth ache.



#7 Ogalthorpe Haywood

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 06:27 AM

Better safe than sorry when it comes to skin issues. It's a mid season tournament, it sucks we didn't see the finals match we wanted but at least it wasn't post season.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 08:32 AM

Hurts the Iron man.  California has been one great aspect of the Iron man with numerous past champions and outstanding performances.    This si a shame.   It's always fun to see how they west does against the best the east has to offer.   



#9 sgallan

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:37 PM

Anytime a tournament loses a national presence it loses some relevance. Examples, the Beast used to own best tournament. Reno was easily top three. Now Doc B is the best out west. NHSCA senior nationals had everybody save PA kids that went to Dapper Dan. Now it is just another tough tournament that a lot of the top guys skip. You cannot blow off an entire half of the country (which is what will happen) and continue to be the number one go to tournament. It may take 2-3 years but Ironman will become a Midwest tournament with Blair, and some PA teams, versus a true national tournament. The the blood round of quarters will trend to semis like most tournaments. Maybe that is what they want? Perusse, with all his flaws understood the dynamic.

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#10 sgallan

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:47 PM

An entire state boycotting because one kid didn't pass a skin check? Sounds like cutting off your head to fix a tooth ache.

Not really. It takes a national tournament and makes it an (eventual) regional tournament. Ironman no longer becomes the tournament where all the best gather. Just a really good, but another regional tournament. Rule one when trying to put forth the best national product is not to instead become a niche tournament. Remember when NHSCA could gather Gallick, Simmons, Bunch, Lee, Debuque, and Palimino all in one weight. Or Schlatter and Metcalf were the final. Then Ironman without Martinez, or Z Valencia missing? Consider it in those terms and get back to me.

#11 gimpeltf

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:51 PM

Not really. It takes a national tournament and makes it an (eventual) regional tournament. Ironman no longer becomes the tournament where all the best gather. Just a really good, but another regional tournament. Rule one when trying to put forth the best national product is not to instead become a niche tournament. Remember when NHSCA could gather Gallick, Simmons, Bunch, Lee, Debuque, and Palimino all in one weight. Or Schlatter and Metcalf were the final. Then Ironman without Martinez, or Z Valencia missing? Consider it in those terms and get back to me.

You didn't answer the question. Was it really about one kid failing a skin check? Do they allow infected California kids free rein out there or is there more to the story here?



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 06:45 AM

Anytime a tournament loses a national presence it loses some relevance. Examples, the Beast used to own best tournament. Reno was easily top three. Now Doc B is the best out west. NHSCA senior nationals had everybody save PA kids that went to Dapper Dan. Now it is just another tough tournament that a lot of the top guys skip. You cannot blow off an entire half of the country (which is what will happen) and continue to be the number one go to tournament. It may take 2-3 years but Ironman will become a Midwest tournament with Blair, and some PA teams, versus a true national tournament. The the blood round of quarters will trend to semis like most tournaments. Maybe that is what they want? Perusse, with all his flaws understood the dynamic.


Pa hardly attends anymore, outside of the Prep teams. I used to love the Ironman, now I don't even watch it. Like watching the Natl Preps. Blair or Wyoming vs. the rest of the country

#13 TobusRex

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:19 AM

Word around the campfire is, California will boycott the Ironman tournament because of the Nevills mishap.

 

I don't think any of the East coast schools will care.  What say you?

 

What "Nevills mishap"?



#14 Gerald_Walsh

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 09:22 AM

Skin but had a letter from a doctor specialist in CA  that it was ok to wrestle . I/M said no.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 02:30 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the skin infection was pretty nasty. It's not like they didn't want Nevills to wrestle. Doctor's notes can be overruled I believe and obviously in this case. Sucks for Nevills and his family and coaches but skin crap is a problem in our sport and there were a ton of matches on those mats.
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#16 sgallan

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 07:47 AM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the skin infection was pretty nasty. It's not like they didn't want Nevills to wrestle. Doctor's notes can be overruled I believe and obviously in this case. Sucks for Nevills and his family and coaches but skin crap is a problem in our sport and there were a ton of matches on those mats.

I don't know for sure but I will say it is not uncommon for kids that age to have bad acne. Probably the reason for the doctors note and why they PO'd he was DQ'd.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:21 AM

Why does someone say that California, this huge geographical entity is just going to boycott? That's silly. Sounds like Adam has a great reason to be pissed and sure Clovis is probably done with these guys, but the whole state?  Yeah, that makes sense. 

 

Change "California", to "Clovis and maybe a few others".

 

I bet the adults that coach teams will want to make their own choices.

 

Sounds like a ding to the event nevertheless. Losing that pipeline is not good. Clovis guys are class acts.



#18 gimpeltf

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 03:42 PM

Acne can be the portal for infections. Ringworm or herpes. You have an open pore and come in contact with another person infected it spreads

#19 TobusRex

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:16 AM

Acne can be the portal for infections. Ringworm or herpes. You have an open pore and come in contact with another person infected it spreads

 

They weren't so picky back in the old days. When I was a soph I wrestled a kid that had severe acne all over is face, neck, and shoulders (white head giant swollen zits at that). Still grosses me out to this day.



#20 sgallan

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:03 PM

Why does someone say that California, this huge geographical entity is just going to boycott? That's silly. Sounds like Adam has a great reason to be pissed and sure Clovis is probably done with these guys, but the whole state? Yeah, that makes sense.

Change "California", to "Clovis and maybe a few others".

I bet the adults that coach teams will want to make their own choices.

Sounds like a ding to the event nevertheless. Losing that pipeline is not good. Clovis guys are class acts.

So goes Clovis/Buchanan So goes Central California where the best wrestling is. They are all fierce competitors but have been competing with each other since various kids were little. It is an expensive trip, I don't expect to see many kids from California heading out there going forward. As usual success breeds over confidence. As soon as the tournament changed hands prior tournaments results became hard to find. Legacy is what makes these things work. They are at risk of not being far and away the best. Reno used to be top three, not anymore though this year they upped there game. Beast was the best for a long time. I remember an NHSCA bracket with Debuque, Simmons, Bunch, Lee, Gallick, Palimino, and a couple other AA"s, and a couple other solid careers. Now it is a 10-25 ranked tournament.

Edited by sgallan, 17 December 2017 - 01:52 PM.





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