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If a kid has impetigo I don't see how he can be allowed to wrestle. Wikipedia says it's contagious.

If he was on antibiotics for several days and the skin was dried out, no pus or fluid to spread germs, it would be ok to wrestle.

 

The demand by the Ohio doctor to be 100% certain it wasn't impetigo plus herpes is ridiculous. The California dermatologist should have nipped that in the bud by saying there was no reason to culture for herpes since he didn't have any blisters typical of herpes (I'm presuming that to be true since she told him it was impetigo and not herpes.)

If a tournament is going to have an idiot doctor who doesn't know how ignorant he is to screen athletes, they'd be better off with a trainer only.

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If he was on antibiotics for several days and the skin was dried out, no pus or fluid to spread germs, it would be ok to wrestle.

 

The demand by the Ohio doctor to be 100% certain it wasn't impetigo plus herpes is ridiculous. The California dermatologist should have nipped that in the bud by saying there was no reason to culture for herpes since he didn't have any blisters typical of herpes (I'm presuming that to be true since she told him it was impetigo and not herpes.)

If a tournament is going to have an idiot doctor who doesn't know how ignorant he is to screen athletes, they'd be better off with a trainer only.

 

the thing that struck me is that it's highly contagious and can be spread by bodily fluids through "lesions". If the sores are on his face, which is subject to crossfaces....well, I'd say he probably shouldn't wrestle. More than once I inflicted bloody noses on kids (and had them inflicted on me) from crossfaces. If his blood gets on a kid's forearm, what happens? Does the impetigo spread? I don't know, just spitballin'.

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the thing that struck me is that it's highly contagious and can be spread by bodily fluids through "lesions". If the sores are on his face, which is subject to crossfaces....well, I'd say he probably shouldn't wrestle. More than once I inflicted bloody noses on kids (and had them inflicted on me) from crossfaces. If his blood gets on a kid's forearm, what happens? Does the impetigo spread? I don't know, just spitballin'.

 

Is that a fact, Doctor??

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Two on-site doctor stories one where he was wrong and the other where he was correct. Both of which had a direct impact on my family, specifically my son. Both of these incidents were while he was in high school at events sanctioned by the various state associations therefore under the exact same rules as this topic. In the following by "note" I mean the proper skin form.

 

The first time we were attending a big tournament. By big I mean 24 teams so there were 300ish kids. One wrestler showed up with what everybody knew was active ringworm all over his face and upper body. He had a Dr’s note saying he had been under treatment for more than 72 hours and he was safe to wrestle. It was obvious to everybody this was still active and the treatment was not working. The kid should not be wrestling. Several coaches (and parents) complained but the on-site Dr simply referred to the Dr’s note and said the kid was ok. Over the course of the next two weeks we found out that every team had kids who contracted ringworm. Our team got it so bad they had to stop practice for a week, have everybody see a Dr, then strip out and completely disinfect the wrestling room. We had to drop out of 2 dual meets and a tournament because of the wide spread contagion.

 

The second was even more personal. My son had what looked like a typical teenager zit growing on his cheek. He had a tournament scheduled on the weekend so we took him to a doctor Monday morning ensuring he would meet the 72 hour requirement. He was given both a topical and oral medication and a note saying it was just acne and OK to wrestle. It didn’t exactly go away during the week; in fact it got redder. At the Friday weighin the on-site DR said under no circumstances would he let my son wrestle. We were furious of course because followed the proper procedures, taken vacation time from work, spent money on travel, etc., and after all it was just a zit. By Monday the zit had continued to grow and erupted like Mt. Vesuvius. As it turns out it was not a zit but a form or MRSA. We had to have a specialist inject some real powerful antibiotics and a steroid directly into the monstrosity on his face. A few days later it had to be lanced and drained and to this day he has a “hole” in his cheek. Now the surface skin closed up so it’s more of a depression but it is a reminder of what can happen.

 

Two stories one where the on-site DR followed the note and everybody got infection and one where he overruled the note and potentially saved a bunch of kids a nasty exposure to MRSA.

 

In short we are talking about kids' health here not a wrestling tournament. Keep things in perspective. 

 

 

 

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I wasn't going to respond since what's done is done, but since we're going with "first hand" accounts...

 

This is half true.  The skin had been cultured.  It had come back positive for impetigo.  It had been treated for impetigo.  And it had been treated long enough (5 days).  It was on the proper form with the proper information and done by a board certified dermatologist.  And, it wasn't herpes.

 

Your non-skin doctor (general local guy who has never treated a skin disease) by LOOKS ALONE wanted the dermatologist who treated the infection to GUARANTEE him with 100% certainty that it was not both impetigo and herpes.  And since our dermatologist could not provide a guarantee on her medical license, we spent thousands of dollars to fly to Ohio to have a non-skin guy go on a gut instinct instead of a medical professional in the area of skin's opinion, culture, and treatment.  Good form Ironman.  We did our part to help the doctor make a good decision by letting him speak with the dermatologist, and at the end of the day, the tournament and its staff failed us.

 

Here's the best part.  We came back with herpes from the tournament.  We had the only athlete required to demonstrate with absolutely medical certainty that a skin condition was something other than what it was marked and treated for.  Yet, apparently that standard didn't apply to other wrestlers.

 

As I told all of you at the event -- you've seen us for the last time.  The bad news is, I think some others feel the same way.  When you start feeling you are the show, it's often the same result as when you feel you've become a good enough coach or a good enough wrestler.  The tournament is only as good as those in attendance.

 

Adam T.

 

Sounds good to me. Cultured, proper medical paperwork, followed all protocols.

 

Just tape and seal it with Kinesio Tape or something durable, and let's wrestle.

 

Easy as that!!!

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Per Wikipedia it is. I would hazard a guess Wikipedia is more knowledgeable on the topic than YOU are too...

 

Pump the brakes.  Your ego will be deflated...not only by what you don't know....but what you're not even capable of understanding.

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Pump the brakes.  Your ego will be deflated...not only by what you don't know....but what you're not even capable of understanding.

 

Right.  Where did you get your medical degree? Trump University? Something tells me you need to open a dictionary and find the definitions for "CONTAGIOUS" and the adverb "HIGHLY".

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Given all the back and forth described above, even with the variations, if my son was in this tournament, I would have given the guy who made the tough ‘no’ decision a pat on the back. Must have been a hard call, but a good call, given the need to protect the kids.

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Oh, and this idea of the State boycotting over this event is unbelieveably immature and childish. A hard call had to be made and the call was on the side of child safety. You may disagree with the decision but throwing a hissy fit is ridiculous. You have to respect the tilt toward safety.

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Right.  Where did you get your medical degree? Trump University? Something tells me you need to open a dictionary and find the definitions for "CONTAGIOUS" and the adverb "HIGHLY".

 

You sound like one of those "lefty's" who loves government handouts. There's a mismatch of intellects here. I mean you're not going to have much luck making your dog understand Quantum Mechanics.  But if you pet him on the head....aren't you controlling him spiritually?

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I wasn't going to respond since what's done is done, but since we're going with "first hand" accounts...

 

This is half true.  The skin had been cultured.  It had come back positive for impetigo.  It had been treated for impetigo.  And it had been treated long enough (5 days).  It was on the proper form with the proper information and done by a board certified dermatologist.  And, it wasn't herpes.

 

Your non-skin doctor (general local guy who has never treated a skin disease) by LOOKS ALONE wanted the dermatologist who treated the infection to GUARANTEE him with 100% certainty that it was not both impetigo and herpes.  And since our dermatologist could not provide a guarantee on her medical license, we spent thousands of dollars to fly to Ohio to have a non-skin guy go on a gut instinct instead of a medical professional in the area of skin's opinion, culture, and treatment.  Good form Ironman.  We did our part to help the doctor make a good decision by letting him speak with the dermatologist, and at the end of the day, the tournament and its staff failed us.

 

Here's the best part.  We came back with herpes from the tournament.  We had the only athlete required to demonstrate with absolutely medical certainty that a skin condition was something other than what it was marked and treated for.  Yet, apparently that standard didn't apply to other wrestlers.

 

As I told all of you at the event -- you've seen us for the last time.  The bad news is, I think some others feel the same way.  When you start feeling you are the show, it's often the same result as when you feel you've become a good enough coach or a good enough wrestler.  The tournament is only as good as those in attendance.

 

Adam T.

 

Why did you bring the heavyweight when you knew he had an infectious skin condition that had been treated less than a week? It sounds like the sores were still there...If they were gone, wouldn't he have passed the skin check? 

 

Also, sounds like your qualm should be with the dermatologist for refusing to guarantee that it was not Herpes...

 

When it comes to infectious disease, it's always better to be on the side of safety/prevention.

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I wasn't going to respond since what's done is done, but since we're going with "first hand" accounts...

 

This is half true. The skin had been cultured. It had come back positive for impetigo. It had been treated for impetigo. And it had been treated long enough (5 days). It was on the proper form with the proper information and done by a board certified dermatologist. And, it wasn't herpes.

 

Your non-skin doctor (general local guy who has never treated a skin disease) by LOOKS ALONE wanted the dermatologist who treated the infection to GUARANTEE him with 100% certainty that it was not both impetigo and herpes. And since our dermatologist could not provide a guarantee on her medical license, we spent thousands of dollars to fly to Ohio to have a non-skin guy go on a gut instinct instead of a medical professional in the area of skin's opinion, culture, and treatment. Good form Ironman. We did our part to help the doctor make a good decision by letting him speak with the dermatologist, and at the end of the day, the tournament and its staff failed us.

 

Here's the best part. We came back with herpes from the tournament. We had the only athlete required to demonstrate with absolutely medical certainty that a skin condition was something other than what it was marked and treated for. Yet, apparently that standard didn't apply to other wrestlers.

 

As I told all of you at the event -- you've seen us for the last time. The bad news is, I think some others feel the same way. When you start feeling you are the show, it's often the same result as when you feel you've become a good enough coach or a good enough wrestler. The tournament is only as good as those in attendance.

 

Adam T.

Yeah, I hinted at this "tournament full of itself" earlier in the thread. Thanks for sharing the details. Have a great rest of the season.

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You sound like one of those "lefty's" who loves government handouts. There's a mismatch of intellects here. I mean you're not going to have much luck making your dog understand Quantum Mechanics.  But if you pet him on the head....aren't you controlling him spiritually?

I despise people like this.  "lefty", "libtard", "dotard" "bagger".  You've pretty much declared, no one should ever take your posts as coming from a human being capable of forming an intelligent thought.

 

And yes, I am a medical doctor.  And while I've forgotten more about quantum mechanics than you ever knew, I have a bachelor's degree in physics.  We're talking about a mismatch of intellects here, and I'll give you a hint - you're on the short end.

 

Given all the back and forth described above, even with the variations, if my son was in this tournament, I would have given the guy who made the tough ‘no’ decision a pat on the back. Must have been a hard call, but a good call, given the need to protect the kids.

This.  What he looked like back home may not have been what the matside doc saw in his examination.  Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the one.  And to most of us on this board, we're supposed to be the grownups.  Ultimately, it's just a wrestling tournament, not life and death (I'm an ER doc).  The world doesn't end for the guy if he misses one tournament.

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It would be interesting to hear when it was noticed that the other Clovis wrestler came down with herpes and possibly even what weight he was. I don't even play a doctor on TV but if it was noticed relatively close to the event it's possible that that wrestler already had the infection before the event.

To add to Straitshooter (especially since he might be a Trekkie) and realizing that Coach Adam T didn't tell us all they knew or did (and doesn't owe it to us to do so) what was said was that Nevills was properly diagnosed with and treated for impetigo some days in advance of the event. Impetigo can be a great portal for herpes and it's possible that it set in subsequent to the exam mentioned.

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I despise people like this. "lefty", "libtard", "dotard" "bagger". You've pretty much declared, no one should ever take your posts as coming from a human being capable of forming an intelligent thought.

 

And yes, I am a medical doctor. And while I've forgotten more about quantum mechanics than you ever knew, I have a bachelor's degree in physics. We're talking about a mismatch of intellects here, and I'll give you a hint - you're on the short end.

 

This. What he looked like back home may not have been what the matside doc saw in his examination. Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the one. And to most of us on this board, we're supposed to be the grownups. Ultimately, it's just a wrestling tournament, not life and death (I'm an ER doc). The world doesn't end for the guy if he misses one tournament.

Re your post to Fanta, savage AF. Well played.

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I despise people like this.  "lefty", "libtard", "dotard" "bagger".  You've pretty much declared, no one should ever take your posts as coming from a human being capable of forming an intelligent thought.

 

And yes, I am a medical doctor.  And while I've forgotten more about quantum mechanics than you ever knew, I have a bachelor's degree in physics.  We're talking about a mismatch of intellects here, and I'll give you a hint - you're on the short end.

 

This.  What he looked like back home may not have been what the matside doc saw in his examination.  Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the one.  And to most of us on this board, we're supposed to be the grownups.  Ultimately, it's just a wrestling tournament, not life and death (I'm an ER doc).  The world doesn't end for the guy if he misses one tournament.

 

 

You have to realize that the way things are, just doesn’t fit your version of reality like you thought. Tidbit after tidbit adds up, and it’s not possible to explain them all away and be honest. Adam T. had everything right, paperwork, cultures etc.  There are infinite paths of self-delusion, and the fact that you're spending your life in a brain mansion built of words means that you lack the objectivity necessary to see the terrible distortion of reality...Doc.

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to quit going to a tournament because a wrestler was not able to enter will only hurt the sport and kids in the future. This would be very short sighted by a coach. This is the type of thing wrestling does to itself again and again..... we are a dumb group as a whole. As a coach I knew many kids who wouldn't have minded going out for wrestling...... but they wouldn't cut their hair to wrestle. I thought that was dumb. Bad decision be the sport and the kid.

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to quit going to a tournament because a wrestler was not able to enter will only hurt the sport and kids in the future. This would be very short sighted by a coach. This is the type of thing wrestling does to itself again and again..... we are a dumb group as a whole. As a coach I knew many kids who wouldn't have minded going out for wrestling...... but they wouldn't cut their hair to wrestle. I thought that was dumb. Bad decision be the sport and the kid.

 

The tournament is clear across the country.    If they can't guarantee their guys get to  wrestle when they spend the money to travel and time effort etc, how can anyone expect them to go anyways?   I can understand if it was the local intramural 6 way across town.     But Cali to Ohio  ?  You can't expect coaches to take that risk.  It's just not reasonable.   

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The tournament is clear across the country.    If they can't guarantee their guys get to  wrestle when they spend the money to travel and time effort etc, how can anyone expect them to go anyways?   I can understand if it was the local intramural 6 way across town.     But Cali to Ohio  ?  You can't expect coaches to take that risk.  It's just not reasonable.   

 

 

Really? I'm not going to suggest I have any idea if the kid was infected or not given opposing doctor's opinions but are you suggesting that the doctors should take the distance traveled into account when deciding if a kid is healthy?

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Really? I'm not going to suggest I have any idea if the kid was infected or not given opposing doctor's opinions but are you suggesting that the doctors should take the distance traveled into account when deciding if a kid is healthy?

 

No not at all.  The coaches should.    If they don't feel it's worth while, don't go all the way across the country.     How about you, do you feel the coaches should consider this or just go anyways and hope for the best?   

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