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#41 sgallan

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 10:34 AM

I wasn't going to respond since what's done is done, but since we're going with "first hand" accounts...

This is half true. The skin had been cultured. It had come back positive for impetigo. It had been treated for impetigo. And it had been treated long enough (5 days). It was on the proper form with the proper information and done by a board certified dermatologist. And, it wasn't herpes.

Your non-skin doctor (general local guy who has never treated a skin disease) by LOOKS ALONE wanted the dermatologist who treated the infection to GUARANTEE him with 100% certainty that it was not both impetigo and herpes. And since our dermatologist could not provide a guarantee on her medical license, we spent thousands of dollars to fly to Ohio to have a non-skin guy go on a gut instinct instead of a medical professional in the area of skin's opinion, culture, and treatment. Good form Ironman. We did our part to help the doctor make a good decision by letting him speak with the dermatologist, and at the end of the day, the tournament and its staff failed us.

Here's the best part. We came back with herpes from the tournament. We had the only athlete required to demonstrate with absolutely medical certainty that a skin condition was something other than what it was marked and treated for. Yet, apparently that standard didn't apply to other wrestlers.

As I told all of you at the event -- you've seen us for the last time. The bad news is, I think some others feel the same way. When you start feeling you are the show, it's often the same result as when you feel you've become a good enough coach or a good enough wrestler. The tournament is only as good as those in attendance.

Adam T.

Yeah, I hinted at this "tournament full of itself" earlier in the thread. Thanks for sharing the details. Have a great rest of the season.

#42 Cletus_Tucker

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 01:34 PM

What a shame.    Clovis and some of the other top CA teams/individuals are a huge addition to the tournament.  With out them, it takes a hit.     Oh well.   



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Posted 23 December 2017 - 02:21 PM

You sound like one of those "lefty's" who loves government handouts. There's a mismatch of intellects here. I mean you're not going to have much luck making your dog understand Quantum Mechanics.  But if you pet him on the head....aren't you controlling him spiritually?

I despise people like this.  "lefty", "libtard", "dotard" "bagger".  You've pretty much declared, no one should ever take your posts as coming from a human being capable of forming an intelligent thought.

 

And yes, I am a medical doctor.  And while I've forgotten more about quantum mechanics than you ever knew, I have a bachelor's degree in physics.  We're talking about a mismatch of intellects here, and I'll give you a hint - you're on the short end.

 

Given all the back and forth described above, even with the variations, if my son was in this tournament, I would have given the guy who made the tough ‘no’ decision a pat on the back. Must have been a hard call, but a good call, given the need to protect the kids.

This.  What he looked like back home may not have been what the matside doc saw in his examination.  Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the one.  And to most of us on this board, we're supposed to be the grownups.  Ultimately, it's just a wrestling tournament, not life and death (I'm an ER doc).  The world doesn't end for the guy if he misses one tournament.


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Posted 23 December 2017 - 06:20 PM

It would be interesting to hear when it was noticed that the other Clovis wrestler came down with herpes and possibly even what weight he was. I don't even play a doctor on TV but if it was noticed relatively close to the event it's possible that that wrestler already had the infection before the event.

To add to Straitshooter (especially since he might be a Trekkie) and realizing that Coach Adam T didn't tell us all they knew or did (and doesn't owe it to us to do so) what was said was that Nevills was properly diagnosed with and treated for impetigo some days in advance of the event. Impetigo can be a great portal for herpes and it's possible that it set in subsequent to the exam mentioned.



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Posted 24 December 2017 - 04:45 AM

I despise people like this. "lefty", "libtard", "dotard" "bagger". You've pretty much declared, no one should ever take your posts as coming from a human being capable of forming an intelligent thought.

And yes, I am a medical doctor. And while I've forgotten more about quantum mechanics than you ever knew, I have a bachelor's degree in physics. We're talking about a mismatch of intellects here, and I'll give you a hint - you're on the short end.

This. What he looked like back home may not have been what the matside doc saw in his examination. Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the one. And to most of us on this board, we're supposed to be the grownups. Ultimately, it's just a wrestling tournament, not life and death (I'm an ER doc). The world doesn't end for the guy if he misses one tournament.

Re your post to Fanta, savage AF. Well played.

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 07:00 AM

I despise people like this.  "lefty", "libtard", "dotard" "bagger".  You've pretty much declared, no one should ever take your posts as coming from a human being capable of forming an intelligent thought.

 

And yes, I am a medical doctor.  And while I've forgotten more about quantum mechanics than you ever knew, I have a bachelor's degree in physics.  We're talking about a mismatch of intellects here, and I'll give you a hint - you're on the short end.

 

This.  What he looked like back home may not have been what the matside doc saw in his examination.  Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the desires of the one.  And to most of us on this board, we're supposed to be the grownups.  Ultimately, it's just a wrestling tournament, not life and death (I'm an ER doc).  The world doesn't end for the guy if he misses one tournament.

 

 

You have to realize that the way things are, just doesn’t fit your version of reality like you thought. Tidbit after tidbit adds up, and it’s not possible to explain them all away and be honest. Adam T. had everything right, paperwork, cultures etc.  There are infinite paths of self-delusion, and the fact that you're spending your life in a brain mansion built of words means that you lack the objectivity necessary to see the terrible distortion of reality...Doc.


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 08:57 AM

to quit going to a tournament because a wrestler was not able to enter will only hurt the sport and kids in the future. This would be very short sighted by a coach. This is the type of thing wrestling does to itself again and again..... we are a dumb group as a whole. As a coach I knew many kids who wouldn't have minded going out for wrestling...... but they wouldn't cut their hair to wrestle. I thought that was dumb. Bad decision be the sport and the kid.



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Posted 25 December 2017 - 10:12 AM

to quit going to a tournament because a wrestler was not able to enter will only hurt the sport and kids in the future. This would be very short sighted by a coach. This is the type of thing wrestling does to itself again and again..... we are a dumb group as a whole. As a coach I knew many kids who wouldn't have minded going out for wrestling...... but they wouldn't cut their hair to wrestle. I thought that was dumb. Bad decision be the sport and the kid.

 

The tournament is clear across the country.    If they can't guarantee their guys get to  wrestle when they spend the money to travel and time effort etc, how can anyone expect them to go anyways?   I can understand if it was the local intramural 6 way across town.     But Cali to Ohio  ?  You can't expect coaches to take that risk.  It's just not reasonable.   



#49 gimpeltf

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 10:21 AM

The tournament is clear across the country.    If they can't guarantee their guys get to  wrestle when they spend the money to travel and time effort etc, how can anyone expect them to go anyways?   I can understand if it was the local intramural 6 way across town.     But Cali to Ohio  ?  You can't expect coaches to take that risk.  It's just not reasonable.   

 

 

Really? I'm not going to suggest I have any idea if the kid was infected or not given opposing doctor's opinions but are you suggesting that the doctors should take the distance traveled into account when deciding if a kid is healthy?



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Posted 25 December 2017 - 11:34 AM

Really? I'm not going to suggest I have any idea if the kid was infected or not given opposing doctor's opinions but are you suggesting that the doctors should take the distance traveled into account when deciding if a kid is healthy?

 

No not at all.  The coaches should.    If they don't feel it's worth while, don't go all the way across the country.     How about you, do you feel the coaches should consider this or just go anyways and hope for the best?   



#51 gimpeltf

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:08 PM

No not at all.  The coaches should.    If they don't feel it's worth while, don't go all the way across the country.     How about you, do you feel the coaches should consider this or just go anyways and hope for the best?   

 

Not at all. But the way you phrased it previously made it sound like the impetus should be on the host to guarantee it.



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Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:09 PM

I'm a little confused.  They wouldn't allow one kid to wrestle because of a skin issue and then they took all their kids home?  



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Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:15 PM

Not at all. But the way you phrased it previously made it sound like the impetus should be on the host to guarantee it.

 

No not at all.  If the host can't guarantee it, the coaches need to weigh it out and decide if going across the country is right for them.     I don't expect a whole lot from the host.   

 

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#54 gimpeltf

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 12:30 PM

I'm a little confused.  They wouldn't allow one kid to wrestle because of a skin issue and then they took all their kids home?  

 

Yes, but they took them home after the event was over like everyone else.

They're threatening to not return.


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Posted 26 December 2017 - 09:55 AM

Like I said, I'm a little confused.  Got it now.  To do this as a coach would also hurt his the other kids on the team.  This is a great chance to compete in the East and I wouldn't be happy if I couldn't go because one of my teammates had a skin issue and my coach decided to "prove a point".  I can understand his frustrations but this sounds like there are definitely a couple ways to look at it, and the health of all wrestlers is the most important.



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Posted 26 December 2017 - 06:08 PM

I rarely post on this forum but one of my friends pointed me to this thread.

Adam T: I respect you, and not just because of your wrestling credentials, but mainly because of your posts that I’ve read over the years. I’m sure you are incensed by the situation, but I hope you consider some of the objective and reasonable posts on this thread (from gimp, straitsgooter, nom, et al). Perhaps to you and your doctor, there was 100% certainty that Nevills wasn’t infectious, but is it THAT unreasonable to you that tournament administrators and doctor (whether qualified in your opinion or not) seeing his visibly troubling condition for the first time, forced to make a quick decision under pressure, erred on the side of caution, even extreme caution, for the sake of other kids?

I can see how some coaches might ditch the tournament for questionable reffing or something more structurally wrong with the event, but for THIS incident?? That’s just petty and short-sighted. Sorry to say.

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 06:43 PM

There's no crying in wrestling!

 

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 06:47 PM

Skin but had a letter from a doctor specialist in CA  that it was ok to wrestle . I/M said no.

I don't blame them for leaving.  Of course, when the former management was running Ironman, they didn't really do skin checks.   Years past, Nevills would have been allowed to compete.  



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Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:21 PM

There's no crying in wrestling!

 

 

Most of the crying in wrestling is done by the fans....


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#60 TobusRex

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:26 PM

I don't blame them for leaving.  Of course, when the former management was running Ironman, they didn't really do skin checks.   Years past, Nevills would have been allowed to compete.  

 

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