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Why so many redshirt freshmen?

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Fix and Lee are just the most prominent, but it seems like redshirting freshmen is the default option in wrestling? 

 

Why is that? Watching the football games last night, there were plenty of true freshmen in prominent roles, including the Georgia QB. Redshirting in basketball, at least for top recruits, seems rare. In football and basketball, it would seem at least as hard to move from high school to college competition as it is in wrestling. Are the hoops and football coaches fearful of delaying a recruit's pro career (which might mean not getting the recruit at all), which is not a factor is wrestling. Anyhow, what gives?

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In college football you have to be there for three years after high school graduation before going pro.  Would you rather they redshirt and never see the field in year one and get one maybe two years out of them as they work their way into the lineup or put them on the field early and get a full three years out of them whether they are a special teams, back up, or starter?

 

In college basketball the rule as it stands with the NBA is one and you can be done.  Why bring in a kid and redshirt him and have him never play for you.  

 

In wrestling you aren't going pro in anything but MMA so you have five years to get four.

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Up until the last decade or so (if even that long) guys weren't coming in to college as ready as they are now.  At this point the top kids have been wrestling year round against elite competition and with elite coaching ever since they could walk.  For guys like that the norm is already headed towards becoming that you wrestle them right away and save the redshirt year for a possible injury. 

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Yeah, it's not a fear of delaying a kids pro career, but a fear that the kid will leave for the pros and you wasted a year redshirting him. As mentioned, with the one and done rule in college bball, it would be ridiculous to redshirt a kid if he is one of the top players as they won't be around for five years. It is actually not uncommon to see redshirts in college football, because a lot of kids are not ready to start their freshman year, especially QBs, so you might as well use the shirt just in case they hang around for a 5th year, unless the freshman is far better than your other options (like Georgia this year).

 

In college wrestling, if you ask a kid to redshirt and stay 5 years, they usually will, as there is nothing pulling them away from college (with the exception of Snyder who has a large chunk of cash waiting for him). If a top tier kid like Lee (or Hall last year) came in and told the coach they plan on graduating in 4 years and moving on no matter what, you can guarantee the coach would hold off on the redshirt because they are the best option and they know they wouldn't get a 5th year out of them anyways. 

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Up until the last decade or so (if even that long) guys weren't coming in to college as ready as they are now.  At this point the top kids have been wrestling year round against elite competition and with elite coaching ever since they could walk.  For guys like that the norm is already headed towards becoming that you wrestle them right away and save the redshirt year for a possible injury. 

 

That's very true - the sport has evolved a ton for elite youth and high school kids.  There's so much elite local training, tournaments, internet based video and quite frankly 24/7 preparation for high school kids now.  They are way more ready and have seen so much more national level competition than kids from the 80s and 90s, heck the first half of the 2000s.  They are just better coming out of HS, their high school to college jump isn't nearly as dramatic as it used to be.

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Both sports are easier than Wrestling. Anyone can pick up a ball and bounce it and anyone can get in front of another big guy blocking. Not 'anyone' can take down a good NCAA wrestler, ride or pin them.

The ball players spend a lot of time that is not conditioning and drills. They have more scholarships as well.

Redshirt the kids if it helps them and the team. That extra year of seasoning and maturity can help a lot as well as tell a coach how well the athlete can handle the challenges of sport, academics and social life.

 

When I was in College Freshmen were not allowed to compete. Would have been nice to have four full years to do so even if one was planned as a fifth for completion of a degree or Grad school.

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