LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) I'm fine with this. First week back, no need for the extra weigh-in. Now, if he skips Iowa-- the only dual of the week-- then that would be a sad day. Edited January 3, 2018 by LemonPie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greatdane67 198 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 We have a similar situation going on in the NBA right now. Isaiah Thomas of the Cavs was out 7 months. Made his debut last night and team announced he would be sitting out the next game against his former team. Coach Ryan knows they do not hand out trophies in January. If they did, Suriano would have been an AA last season, at the very minimum. Past history indicates that NATO will be ready to compete when it matters most, in Cleveland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryCallo 41 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 You all need to take a deep breath. From what Ryan said, if NaTo is healthy after this week, he is planning on starting against the Gophers next week. If memory serves, they have a pretty decent 125 pounder so NaTo is not exactly ducking everybody. I think Ryan would be more rippable for putting NaTo out against Suriano without a warm up match - 1 silver-medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,072 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 It isn't so much about worrying about him getting injured as it is getting him prepared to actually be able to wrestle at the level necessary to compete with a Suriano. This is no different than MMA or Boxing scheduling several soft opponents for a guy and slowly building up his confidence and getting a good look at his performances to gauge where he is at. Simply put, there is NO benefit to throwing him right into a match with currently the best guy at the weight. Protecting a seed, which it literally can't do with how little he has remaining on the schedule, has nothing to do with it! I get what you are saying and I agree this is the correct way to handle NATO's situation. However, I was responding to those who insist it is a decision based entirely on the knee, and not on being able to compete and win against the caliber of wrestler that Suriano represents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Well, the knee impacts preparation, cardio, everything. His knee may be well, but much like Spencer Lee, what are the chances either is at 100% when they just started going live in practice two and maybe one or less months, respectively? Their knees could be 100% but there’s almost no chance they are without more training. Edited January 3, 2018 by wrestlingnerd 1 silver-medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 538 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Is he worried that NATO will get injured against Suriano, but not against the Maryland wrestler? Otherwise, it is seed protection, which is a way of looking out for the athlete, but let's call it what it is. There is no world where Nato would get seeded over Suriano at the current time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Absolute joke. Ryan announced NATO wrestling Friday vs Maryland but will sit out vs Suriano Sunday. He couldn’t sit out bs Maryland and wrestle a Suriano? Weak sauce Looks like we both came up with the same thought simultaneously. You don't bring a guy back after 3 months on the sideline and throw him straight into a dogfight. You guys can't really be this dense... 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pish6969 262 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 You don't bring a guy back after 3 months on the sideline and throw him straight into a dogfight. You guys can't really be this dense... If he’s not ready then don’t wrestle until he is and I’d have no issue with that. When you have two duals and you choose the weaker one, that’s where I have a problem. Ryan did same thing with Bojo last year. Sat him vs Hall and 2 days later wrestled him against Rutgers. I’m a PSU fan and if Cael did this, I’d be right here stating its BS as well. I have no agenda other than to call this BS out. Again. I am NOT advocating throwing an injured wrestler out there. If you’re not healthy then rest up, don’t pick and choose your competition Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,072 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 There is no world where Nato would get seeded over Suriano at the current time. ...because they seed in March for the Big Ten and National tournaments Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 538 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 ...because they seed in March for the Big Ten and National tournaments Correct. And now that less regular season matches kills you seeding I'm sure Nato will have that taken into account, regardless of B10 performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,072 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Correct. And now that less regular season matches kills you seeding I'm sure Nato will have that taken into account, regardless of B10 performance. So if NATO wrestled Suriano this weekend, winning or losing the match would have no effect (same effect?) on his Big Ten seeding? I disagree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 538 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 So if NATO wrestled Suriano this weekend, winning or losing the match would have no effect (same effect?) on his Big Ten seeding? I disagree. I don't see how he can be seeded ahead of Suriano at this point, even at the Big 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 I don't see how he can be seeded ahead of Suriano at this point, even at the Big 10If Nato beats Suriano and runs the table, he probably would. It’s a fair point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,606 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 But that's the opposite of ducking for seeding purposes. You can only improve by beating Suriano, instead he sits out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,710 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 But that's the opposite of ducking for seeding purposes. You can only improve by beating Suriano, instead he sits out. Ducking for seeding purposes would be avoiding a loss to Suriano to keep a perfect record thus getting the top seed due to 100% win percentage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYWRESTLER94 221 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Ducking for seeding purposes would be avoiding a loss to Suriano to keep a perfect record thus getting the top seed due to 100% win percentage. but Suriano will have the better B1G record once the postseason comes so there’s no way you could seed Tomasello ahead of him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 636 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) If he’s not ready then don’t wrestle until he is and I’d have no issue with that. When you have two duals and you choose the weaker one, that’s where I have a problem. Ryan did same thing with Bojo last year. Sat him vs Hall and 2 days later wrestled him against Rutgers. I’m a PSU fan and if Cael did this, I’d be right here stating its BS as well. I have no agenda other than to call this BS out. Again. I am NOT advocating throwing an injured wrestler out there. If you’re not healthy then rest up, don’t pick and choose your competition Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nico sat an entire season to hide from Delgado. So did Retherford! Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Edited January 3, 2018 by cjc007 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,250 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Ducking for seeding purposes would be avoiding a loss to Suriano to keep a perfect record thus getting the top seed due to 100% win percentage. Might keep him ranked #1 (in say wrestlestat) but that's not going to work for seeding. His win percentage is currently 0.0, skipping Rutgers and he only has ~8 possible matches before B10. B10 might seed him top 4 (don't think he will get #1 over an undefeated Suriano) but he won't get much love from the NCAA seeding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 304 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Tom Ryan "In college wrestling, there are no consequence for duals." Cael Sanderson "Just say no to National Duals" blog post. Ryan is just beating Cael at his own game. Nothing matters but getting the best seeding for the NCAA's. 2 redblades and southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,710 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 Might keep him ranked #1 (in say wrestlestat) but that's not going to work for seeding. His win percentage is currently 0.0, skipping Rutgers and he only has ~8 possible matches before B10. B10 might seed him top 4 (don't think he will get #1 over an undefeated Suriano) but he won't get much love from the NCAA seeding. He would if he won B1G's by defeating Suriano in the finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 If he’s not ready then don’t wrestle until he is and I’d have no issue with that. When you have two duals and you choose the weaker one, that’s where I have a problem. Ryan did same thing with Bojo last year. Sat him vs Hall and 2 days later wrestled him against Rutgers. I’m a PSU fan and if Cael did this, I’d be right here stating its BS as well. I have no agenda other than to call this BS out. Again. I am NOT advocating throwing an injured wrestler out there. If you’re not healthy then rest up, don’t pick and choose your competition Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Why do NBA players returning from injury start off with minute restrictions? Snap counts in the NFL... pitch counts in the MLB... I suppose none of them know what they're doing. This really isn't a difficult concept. Wrestling is full of antiquated logic, but it would appear our coaches are getting a little smarter. Hell, if Tom & Terry can figure this out, maybe you can too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 901 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 I see no issue in this... The same people that are crying that Ryan is a "blah blah blah" are those same people who believe that Ryan forced Hunter Stieber into wrestling too soon from his surgeries. Gimme a break, get a life. Move on, and let's see how things pan out in March. 2 BobbyGribbs and Buckeyebison reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,250 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 He would if he won B1G's by defeating Suriano in the finals. don't think so, you should check the seeding criteria. What if an 8 match wrestler knocks off undefeated Cruz in the EIWA or an 8 match wrestlers knocks of Bresser in the PAC or Picc in the B12? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pish6969 262 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Why do NBA players returning from injury start off with minute restrictions? Snap counts in the NFL... pitch counts in the MLB... I suppose none of them know what they're doing. This really isn't a difficult concept. Wrestling is full of antiquated logic, but it would appear our coaches are getting a little smarter. Hell, if Tom & Terry can figure this out, maybe you can too. I’ve never seen any of those sports restrict people due to competition. That’s the point. I’m a Mets fan. If Noah Syndergaard is on a pitch limit, they don’t care if it’s against the Yankees or Marlins. Same goes for every other sport you mentioned Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited January 3, 2018 by pish6969 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repechange 184 Report post Posted January 3, 2018 It will all shake out in the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
