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The 2018 Yarygin (Jan 26-28)

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Congrats to our guys. Even Taylor who looks like a low rent George Clooney wannabee with the cheezy beard. Snyder looks good with one, Taylor like a poor past up job. But he won - so maybe we can overlook it? Hope he didn't pay more than a buck & a quarter for the trim job on it.

 

What's with so many of the wrestlers not being able to go hard for the full time? The fake injury BS against Snyder in the final? The guy should hope his mother doesn't see it - she will think she raised a girl.

 

After all this time since Gable haven't the Reds finally figured out you have to be in shape to go against Americans?

 

Still can't see why US folks in charge don't put this on the schedule and bring over a full team so they can all get exposure to top competition? Plan for it, fund it and get our wrestlers exposed to the competition they will be facing at World and Olympic Championships. The sooner, the better. Sticking with second rate competition may get wins but doesn't let our wrestlers know reality as to how they measure up. Doesn't really prepare them for the jump in quality.

Well to be fair Snyder often wears out wrestlers from every country. He didn't seem in rythym, and his competition adapted some of their tactics, so basically Snyder worked his way through the tournament. Guy in the semi's took a late lungs time out as well.

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As a long time Dake fan I hate to say it, but the coaches or teammates or somebody needs to have a serious sit down with him about complaining about calls. He's always done it but it seems like it's getting worse. It's mental weakness and a liability that opponents can exploit. Burroughs certainly used it against him at the last trials. In the semis here he gave up a point unnecessarily on a bad challenge. It looks bad, is counter productive with the refs, and takes his focus off actually wrestling. Let the coaches argue calls; the wrestler needs to stay 100% focused on wrestling.

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UWW has a nice result section of the Yarygin with all the weight classes, rounds and individual match scores. They also have a "watch" video button but looks like the matches haven't been uploaded yet.

 

Would be awesome and greatly appreciated if UWW can upload and link the match videos there.

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As a long time Dake fan I hate to say it, but the coaches or teammates or somebody needs to have a serious sit down with him about complaining about calls. He's always done it but it seems like it's getting worse. It's mental weakness and a liability that opponents can exploit. Burroughs certainly used it against him at the last trials. In the semis here he gave up a point unnecessarily on a bad challenge. It looks bad, is counter productive with the refs, and takes his focus off actually wrestling. Let the coaches argue calls; the wrestler needs to stay 100% focused on wrestling.

Frustration is one thing,

gestures along with body language, facial expressions turns off nearly everyone including judges (mat and legal).

You see many wrestlers do it but not to the degree he does. He may be smarter than them, but he won't "out smart" them....especially foreign judges.

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What's the penalty for pulling on the singlet? Clearly missed but what is the rule on that?

 

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The rule is if you complain too much about it, you are probably not get many calls to go your way.

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What's the penalty for pulling on the singlet? Clearly missed but what is the rule on that?

 

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I thought it was first time, caution. Second time, 1 point.

 

But according to the Jan 2018 version of the UWW rules, it seems like it's 1 point right away:

 

If the attacking wrestler can carry out the action in spite of an illegal hold of the defending wrestler:

- Stop the violation

- Give the value corresponding to the hold to his opponent

- Ask for a caution

- Give 1 point to the opponent

- Stop the match

- Resume wrestling in the position where the infraction occurred

 

If the attacking wrestler cannot carry out his action because of an illegal hold of the defending wrestler

- Stop the match and ask for a caution

- Give 1 point to the opponent

- Resume wrestling in the position where the infraction occurred

Edited by wrestlingnerd

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David Taylor is officially a badass. Yarygin Champ.

 

We knew this all along... His skill set is absolutely world class, and a Yarygin championship is almost equivalent to a World Championship (I know I know, almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades).  But... Stellar performance by Taylor... absolutely pumped to see him make this achievement.

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Kyle's matches were a little worrisome, I thought he had kind of a tough go with the Turk and the two Russians. I thought that Baitcaev's strategy was to stay away from Kyle and then perhaps steal it late, and Madomedov looked like he did not want to be tied up with Kyle, and I'm not sure what his offensive strategy was either, perhaps the both thought that if they stayed away they could maybe go into the waining seconds and maybe get a score without enough time for Kyle to retaliate. Fortunately Kyle was able to get some scores in there to thwart that strategy.

DT, man he got his money's worth, all very tough tough tough opponents, and none of those guys made it easy on him, all his matches were highly active pitched battles. Very impressive.

Nick Heflin also looked pretty good as well, I'm not sure if he had any other international experience beside this and the club's championships, but he looks pretty comfortable out there. I think if Nick can keep improving, I think he might have a real good chance at the World's, ( assuming he's our guy at 92 ). I know J'Den is looming out there, so it's was too early to see how that will unfold. But getting back to Nick, I think he could've won the Bronze medal match had he stayed on the gas.

I think the US wrestlers best advantage is to make the foreign wrestlers wrestle a full match and make them move out of there comfort zone.

Anyway, great effort from all our Men and Women who went, I believe that things are looking good for us, and hopefully this continues.

I like Nick too, his head pinch is almost unstoppable.  Wonder how he would fare in Greco instead of free.  You dont want to go upper body with him. 

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The main problem I see with Nick is he is mainly a counterwrestler (by his own admission). Unless you are truly world class and have a more than one go-to defensive move that scores exposure, that is almost always a recipe for failure against the best guys. He does have a very good head pinch, but that can be scouted pretty easily, and then what. He's a little old to develop offense all of a sudden.

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DT got to a crab ride position for the fall in the semis and the final. Seems like he has found a way to effectively integrate folk style top technique into freestyle. I'm really interested to see if other guys can pull this off. Dake was a good crab rider and should be taking notes.

 

When DT hit that little crab ride tilt, you can see the side judge in the back giving 2 for the other guy.  That ref had no clue what DT was doing.  He was still holding it up when DT ended up on top of the guy and was pinning him.  

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Well, after posting my initial comments, I began to think about this a little more, and with the Club Championships going on last month and the UWW moving the World's to October, this International season is going to be eleven months long for some wrestlers.

So you have to think that our wrestlers are looking at that, as well as, trying factor in the new UWW point system. Which most likely leads the individual wrestler, and their personal coaches looking at the calendar and trying to pick and choose the events that is best suited for them, with the high hope that it puts them in the best position to make the "Team," and then win a World Championship or medal.

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As a long time Dake fan I hate to say it, but the coaches or teammates or somebody needs to have a serious sit down with him about complaining about calls. He's always done it but it seems like it's getting worse. It's mental weakness and a liability that opponents can exploit. Burroughs certainly used it against him at the last trials. In the semis here he gave up a point unnecessarily on a bad challenge. It looks bad, is counter productive with the refs, and takes his focus off actually wrestling. Let the coaches argue calls; the wrestler needs to stay 100% focused on wrestling.

 

When he was competing internationally Cael Sanderson had some major problems with refereeing. Kept his mouth shut and wrestled through it. I believe it was taken into consideration when he decided on retiring from competition.

 

I believe you are right that Dake is letting the refs calls/non-calls get in the way of his wrestling. He won't beat the refs, he has to beat the opponent big enough to take the refs out of it. If he can't do that he will continue to fall short of Titles.

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Looked to me like Taylor, while still bulked up, has gotten thinner and regained a lot of the speed he had when wrestling at 74 kg.

 

New weigh-in rules definitely helps DT - while he has definitely filled into the weight, he didn't need night before weighins to make this weight comfortably.  All those big cutters are at 92. 

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Yes CT most of it leaves it how you interpet it, I cant figure it out ..and I used to officiate International styles in Fargo for several years.

 

Taylor looked good, but as with Dake, they now have some first hand "feels" Just as we have improved with the Russian style, they will be working on our unique style.

 

They need to post videos on the different scenarios to not only help us understand, bit also to make officiating consistent. A lot gets lost in translation from country to country.

 

 

The call was correct throw. It was not high amplitude because Zaseev's legs swung to the side instead of arching over the top (if it had it would have been 4, at least by last years rules). This was absolutely the correct call because he did not land in danger.

 

The reason it is confusing is because we've all seen this type of throw incorrectly called 4 in the past.

 

Here is the match:

https://vk.com/video-26619469_456240544

Edited by Ching

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I saw a fair amount of folkstyle moves come into useful play for DT.  Partly body memory and instinct perhaps; partly strategic stuff that simply works and that international guys aren't so familiar with.

 

I like Steiber but after he won Worlds at 61 KG he hasn't had much success.  No setup on his shots, which are predictable and which he pulled off easily in college but not at this level.  Guys are ready for them and prepared to counter.  He got horsed around quite a bit at 65 KG, too.   Not sure where he goes from here.  The cut may be too much, but he looks better at 61 KG (even if he ran into some hammers last year in Paris).

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Folkstyle definitely helped DT.  You just don't see arm bars like he did in the semi's on the international stage.  So I would think he surprised Naifonov with that arm bar.  He used it for two exposures and then on to the back for the pin. 

 

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What's with so many of the wrestlers not being able to go hard for the full time? The fake injury BS against Snyder in the final? The guy should hope his mother doesn't see it - she will think she raised a girl.

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And girls aren’t tough, right?

 

Get your sexist bull**** out of here

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The call was correct throw. It was not high amplitude because Zaseev's legs swung to the side instead of arching over the top (if it had it would have been 4, at least by last years rules). This was absolutely the correct call because he did not land in danger.

 

The reason it is confusing is because we've all seen this type of throw incorrectly called 4 in the past.

 

Here is the match:

https://vk.com/video-2661

I originally argued your same point.  Another poster said they changed the rules.  Here are the current rules.

 

 

2018 uww rulebook

 

https://unitedworldwrestling.org/sites/default/files/2017-12/wrestling_rules_2018_2.pdf 

 

 

from page 29

 

Article 38

– Grand Amplitude Throw Any action or hold by a wrestler in the standing position that causes his opponent to lose all contact with the ground, controls him, makes him describe a broadly sweeping curve in the air, and brings him to the ground in a direct and immediate danger position shall be considered a “Grand Amplitude” throw.

In the "parterre" position, any complete lift from the ground executed by the attacking wrestler, whether the attacked wrestler lands in neutral position (4 points) or in a danger position (5 points), is also considered a grand amplitude throw.

 

 

 

from page 30

 

4 points

- To the wrestler performing a hold in a standing position, which brings his opponent into a danger position in a continuous et fluid manner.

- For any hold executed by raising a wrestler from the ground and bringing his opponent into a danger position, over a short amplitude, even if one or both of the attacking wrestler’s knees are on the ground.

- To the wrestler who executes a grand amplitude hold which does not place the opponent in a direct and immediate danger position.

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I originally argued your same point.  Another poster said they changed the rules.  Here are the current rules.

 

 

2018 uww rulebook

 

https://unitedworldwrestling.org/sites/default/files/2017-12/wrestling_rules_2018_2.pdf 

 

 

from page 29

 

Article 38

– Grand Amplitude Throw Any action or hold by a wrestler in the standing position that causes his opponent to lose all contact with the ground, controls him, makes him describe a broadly sweeping curve in the air, and brings him to the ground in a direct and immediate danger position shall be considered a “Grand Amplitude” throw.

In the "parterre" position, any complete lift from the ground executed by the attacking wrestler, whether the attacked wrestler lands in neutral position (4 points) or in a danger position (5 points), is also considered a grand amplitude throw.

 

 

 

from page 30

 

4 points

- To the wrestler performing a hold in a standing position, which brings his opponent into a danger position in a continuous et fluid manner.

- For any hold executed by raising a wrestler from the ground and bringing his opponent into a danger position, over a short amplitude, even if one or both of the attacking wrestler’s knees are on the ground.

- To the wrestler who executes a grand amplitude hold which does not place the opponent in a direct and immediate danger position.

 

 

I don't see how these are different than last year. Seem identical.

 

I don't consider Dake's throw to be grand amplitude (therefore doesn't satisfy the 4 point criteria). I suppose you could argue that it was, but then we are talking judgement call, not rule interpretation.

 

2 points

  1. -  To the wrestler who overcomes and then controls his opponent by passing behind (three points of contact: two arms and one knee or two knees and one arm or head).

  2. -  To the wrestler who applies a correct and complete throw that brings his opponent into a prone position or lateral position or a position with three points of contact. The defensive wrestler must lose control during the throw.

  3. -  To the wrestler who executes a hold that places his opponent's back at an angle of less than 90 degrees, including when his opponent is on one or two outstretched arms.

  4. -  To the attacking wrestler whose opponent rolls onto his shoulders.

  5. -  To the wrestler who blocks his opponent in the execution of a hold from the standing position, in a

    position of danger. 

Edited by Ching

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