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#21 Housebuye

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:42 AM

To the contrary the State of Georgia when it comes to high school wrestling is perhaps the best state, without a DI opportunity for its wrestlers. 

Their are currently 40 Division I college wrestlers from the state of Georgia this season. 

As of intermat.com's November rankings, the following are from Georgia 
#6 Ryan Millhof Arizona State 125 lbs 
#8 Sean Russell Edinboro 125 lbs 
#8 Taylor Lujan Northern Iowa 174 lbs 
#20 Forrest Pryzbysz Appalachian State 174 lbs 
#13 Bryce Carr Chattanooga 184 lbs 

Whenever asked what State's without any Division I wrestling opportunities should have one based on the talent the produce, I usually answer Georgia and Florida. Both states have produced some very good talent throughout the years, that had to go elsewhere to wrestle because the opportunities did not exist in their home state. 
 

A friend one mine was an AA in NAIA at UGA. He is the type of person who would've wrestled D1 if an in state school had a program. He wasn't nationally ranked in HS or anything though.

 

How did you pull this data? Does some site keep a running list? 

 

Side note: you missed Daniel Bullard! He is ranked 20th at 174



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:30 AM

A friend one mine was an AA in NAIA at UGA. He is the type of person who would've wrestled D1 if an in state school had a program. He wasn't nationally ranked in HS or anything though.

 

How did you pull this data? Does some site keep a running list? 

 

Side note: you missed Daniel Bullard! He is ranked 20th at 174

I researched it. I looked up every Division roster and made note of it. 

Was Bullard ranked #20 at 174 lbs on intermat's rankings back in November?  

Rankings again, were pulled from intermat's November listing. 

 


"Gable said something in the newspapers to the effect that he had to show up on the podium and accept defeat like he accepted winning. Personally, I think that's the mark of a true sportsman. Such antics as having to be called repeatedly to the awards podium, hopping down prematurely, trashing one's medal at the venue, etc., don't show how much a guy hates to lose, etc. Taking a loss like a man, then coming back to compete harder (again like Gable did) does." Hurricanewrestling

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:36 AM

I researched it. I looked up every Division roster and made note of it.

Was Bullard ranked #20 at 174 lbs on intermat's rankings back in November?

Rankings again, were pulled from intermat's November listing.

Ah. No. He was added this past week for the first time I believe.

See? Georgia is even better than expected this season

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:43 AM

I have said it once and I will say it again, the rest of the nation had best be happy that the Southeastern Conference does not have wrestling.

1.  They make more money each year than all the other conferences and have the very best facilities.

2.  If they ever decide to get back into NCAA D1 Wrestling they will hire the best coaches (they have more money) and be able to recruit the best athletes.

3.  Never forget that those big 6'5" and 325lb lineman that are great athletes and can run have younger brother and cousins that are just as athletic if not more so but are just to small for big time football.  Those same brothers and cousins would make amazing wrestlers.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:59 AM

I think the benefits of SEC money to wrestling would be marginal at best, anyway. SEC men's basketball for example has hardly separated itself from the other power conferences despite facilities, private planes for recruiting, promotion dollars, etc. And the Mizzou Athletics Department already gets SEC media money but I don't know if the wrestling program is a significant benefactor of those inflows of cash. Football money mostly stays in football.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:00 AM

Two of the issues I remember coming up with them-

 

1. Travel. Too few opponents within a reasonable distance. I realize the PAC-10 is worse but that's what I heard.

 

2. Recruiting. The fact that they could only be successful by recruiting out of state (and generally far out of state). I don't know what the relevant stats are for football/bball to note possible hypocrisy but again these were points discussed way back when.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:45 AM

I think the benefits of SEC money to wrestling would be marginal at best, anyway. SEC men's basketball for example has hardly separated itself from the other power conferences despite facilities, private planes for recruiting, promotion dollars, etc. And the Mizzou Athletics Department already gets SEC media money but I don't know if the wrestling program is a significant benefactor of those inflows of cash. Football money mostly stays in football.


The school facilities for all sports improve because of the football money.

UGA has brand new soccer, track and softball facilities. They pay for these facilities with money from football ticket sales and SEC / NCAA TV contracts.

For basketball, Kentucky is a national contender every year. Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas A&M, and even Auburn have been making some noise recently.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:54 AM

 UGA just played Alabama for the NCAA D1 Football title. That's what Housebuye is humble bragging about.

 

Nope, they did not play for an NCAA title. The top division of College football has never had an NCAA champion, just one picked by the polls. Every other division has a playoff for a real Champion. Every High School football program has a playoff for a real Champion. The NFL has a playoff for a real Champion.

 

Alabama won a game and is the FCS champion - NOT the NCAA Champion because there is no such thing as the NCAA Champion at their level.

 

It is not as if they are North Dakota State University who just won their 7the NCAA title in Football.

 

Get real and get a real NCAA playoff like NDSU/Sam Houston State played and then you will have an honest NCAA Champion instead of a poll winner.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:27 AM

Two of the issues I remember coming up with them-

 

1. Travel. Too few opponents within a reasonable distance. I realize the PAC-10 is worse but that's what I heard.

 

2. Recruiting. The fact that they could only be successful by recruiting out of state (and generally far out of state). I don't know what the relevant stats are for football/bball to note possible hypocrisy but again these were points discussed way back when.

2 was a problem then. It is NOT a problem today. 

The SEC sponsored wrestling for 12 seasons  1969-1970 through 1980-1981.  

There was never more than 7 teams that had wrestling. 

Louisiana State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Florida with Kentucky adding wrestling in the 1974-1975 season. 

1974-1975 through 1979-1980 the SEC had all seven teams. It wasn't until the SEC's final season, 1980-1981 that Florida and Alabama dropped, thus making SEC only 5 teams.  When Auburn announced that they would be dropping wrestling after winning the 1981 SEC tournament, that was the end of SEC wrestling. 

So let's look at it from a logical standpoint. 

I already pointed out about Georgia.  There's absolutely no reason why Georgia couldn't form a decent wrestling team with mainly wrestlers from Georgia on that team.  

Florida is no different.  There are currently 40 Division I wrestlers among 28 teams in Division I wrestling, competing today.  

As of Intermatwrestle's November rankings two of them were ranked 
FLORIDA
#9 Jared Prince Navy 141 lbs 
#13 Yoanse Meijas 174 lbs 

So, statistically there are two teams in the SEC, Florida and Georgia, that could field teams with local talent without much problem. 

I'll add a third in Tennessee.  

​Chattanooga has fielded a decent team, one that competes strong (often wins) the Southern Conference tournament year in and year out.  These teams are often made up with local Tennessee talent, and often have kids from the surrounding Southern States as well.  22 members of the current Moc team are from the south with 10 from Georgia, 7 from Tennessee, 2 from  Kentucky, and 1 from Alabama and Louisiana. 

Georgia, Florida, Tennessee  -  Three SEC teams that could sponsor wrestling and easily field teams with local talent. 

Now lets look at the other teams in the SEC
Alabama 
Louisiana State 
Auburn 
Ole Miss 
South Carolina 
Arkansas 
Mississippi State 
Texas A&M 
Kentucky 
Missouri 

Missouri is already a shoe-in. So we're done discussing them. 

I'll eliminate Mississippi and Mississippi State.  We've yet to get wrestling sanctioned in their high schools.  No use of even remotely dreaming about collegiate wrestling in Mississippi until we can get it their at the youth, junior high and high school level.  

Texas A&M I might as well add as a fourth team that could field their team with local talent.  35 current Division I wrestlers among 24 teams in the 2017-2018 season. No reason the school couldn't field a team full of kids who graduated high school in the lone star state.  Also have nearby Oklahoma to recruit from as well.  Not everyone can be an OSU Cowboy or Oklahoma Sooner.  

South Carolina, I'll have to have someone else make an analysis here. I don't know much about South Carolina, but obviously Presbyterian College must feel confident enough in the high school wrestling that the state produces to field a wrestling program next season. 

Arkansas is a funny one to think about it.  Wrestling in the state at the high school level is less than 10 years old.  Yet, today there are 3 wrestlers in Division I that graduated from an Arkansas high school and their have been wrestlers in the past as well.  Forming a team with strictly kids from Arkansas would be a challenge. I'll admit. 

Louisiana State is pretty much a lot like Arkansas. Although high school wrestling has been in the state much longer, results are about the same.  State has produced some outstanding talent.  Daniel Cormier and David Bonin being among two of them. However, it isn't consistent.  Only 4 wrestlers at the Division I level this season graduated from a Louisiana high school. 

Kentucky has 7 wrestlers currently wrestling Division I in the 2017-2018 season.  Not as good as Florida, Georgia, Tennessee or Texas, but better than Louisiana and Arkansas. 

That leaves Alabama and Auburn.  9 wrestlers in Division I right now are from Alabama.   While not near as strong as Georgia, Florida, and Texas,  what Alabama has going for it is that Georgia and Florida both produce a ton of talent.  Nearby state recruiting for the gaps that in state talent might leave. 

So let's take what we have

Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri - Logically, statistically, realistically could produce competitive wrestling teams with talent from their own states or nearby states.  I'd say 75% or higher of rosters could be local talent. 100% in Georgia and Florida.  Kids who graduated from the same state. 

Alabama, Auburn - Would have to recruit heavier from nearby states, but could still field decent wrestling teams with nearby talent.  

Louisiana State, Arkansas and Kentucky - More challenging. Making up teams full of kids from in state here would be more difficult. Here is where out of state recruiting would come more into play. 

Ole Miss and Mississippi State - Forget about it. 

I feel very confident in a 6 out of 13 teams have wrestling SEC conference.  With Missouri leading the way at first, it'd only be a matter of time before Georgia and Florida, with their own local talent were both consistently top 20 teams year in and year out if not better.  Talking multiple NCAA qualifiers with each team producing 1-3 All Americans per year. 

An 8 out of 13 teams have SEC conference I feel is also realistic, adding in Alabama and Auburn. 

11 out of 13 is realistically the best I think we could hope for.  6 out of 13 the most realistic, 8 out of 13 doable. 

13/13 not happening anytime soon.  The state of Mississippi has been anti-wrestling for a very long time.  When the SEC decided to do wrestling back in the 1969-1970 season, the athletic directors at both schools responded, "No, never."  Looks like they meant it. 

But yeah, I'll say it one more time.  No reason why for the talent that Georgia and Florida produces at the high school level that the state can't provide at least one Division I opportunity for its athletes.  Starting with the Bulldogs and the Gators would be a fantastic idea. 

My two cents, for what they're apparently not worth. 

 


Edited by JohnnyThompsonnum1, 10 January 2018 - 09:28 AM.

"Gable said something in the newspapers to the effect that he had to show up on the podium and accept defeat like he accepted winning. Personally, I think that's the mark of a true sportsman. Such antics as having to be called repeatedly to the awards podium, hopping down prematurely, trashing one's medal at the venue, etc., don't show how much a guy hates to lose, etc. Taking a loss like a man, then coming back to compete harder (again like Gable did) does." Hurricanewrestling

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:44 AM

The school facilities for all sports improve because of the football money.

UGA has brand new soccer, track and softball facilities. They pay for these facilities with money from football ticket sales and SEC / NCAA TV contracts.

For basketball, Kentucky is a national contender every year. Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas A&M, and even Auburn have been making some noise recently.


Kentucky has always been a powerhouse basketball program, and Florida was locking in Final Fours and national titles before SEC media money came rolling in (until Billy Donovan left). The rest of the SEC still don't hold a candle to the blue blood programs. UK, Tennessee and Auburn are out of the AP Top 20 and A&M fell out of the polls - although I will concede that this season is pretty weird, haha. South Carolina had a nice tournament run last year, but they were more Cinderella than a team that anyone expected to finish strong.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:22 PM

2 was a problem then. It is NOT a problem today.

The SEC sponsored wrestling for 12 seasons 1969-1970 through 1980-1981.

There was never more than 7 teams that had wrestling.

Louisiana State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and Florida with Kentucky adding wrestling in the 1974-1975 season.

1974-1975 through 1979-1980 the SEC had all seven teams. It wasn't until the SEC's final season, 1980-1981 that Florida and Alabama dropped, thus making SEC only 5 teams. When Auburn announced that they would be dropping wrestling after winning the 1981 SEC tournament, that was the end of SEC wrestling.

So let's look at it from a logical standpoint.

I already pointed out about Georgia. There's absolutely no reason why Georgia couldn't form a decent wrestling team with mainly wrestlers from Georgia on that team.

Florida is no different. There are currently 40 Division I wrestlers among 28 teams in Division I wrestling, competing today.

As of Intermatwrestle's November rankings two of them were ranked
FLORIDA
#9 Jared Prince Navy 141 lbs
#13 Yoanse Meijas 174 lbs
So, statistically there are two teams in the SEC, Florida and Georgia, that could field teams with local talent without much problem.

I'll add a third in Tennessee.

​Chattanooga has fielded a decent team, one that competes strong (often wins) the Southern Conference tournament year in and year out. These teams are often made up with local Tennessee talent, and often have kids from the surrounding Southern States as well. 22 members of the current Moc team are from the south with 10 from Georgia, 7 from Tennessee, 2 from Kentucky, and 1 from Alabama and Louisiana.

Georgia, Florida, Tennessee - Three SEC teams that could sponsor wrestling and easily field teams with local talent.

Now lets look at the other teams in the SEC
Alabama
Louisiana State
Auburn
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Kentucky
Missouri

Missouri is already a shoe-in. So we're done discussing them.

I'll eliminate Mississippi and Mississippi State. We've yet to get wrestling sanctioned in their high schools. No use of even remotely dreaming about collegiate wrestling in Mississippi until we can get it their at the youth, junior high and high school level.

Texas A&M I might as well add as a fourth team that could field their team with local talent. 35 current Division I wrestlers among 24 teams in the 2017-2018 season. No reason the school couldn't field a team full of kids who graduated high school in the lone star state. Also have nearby Oklahoma to recruit from as well. Not everyone can be an OSU Cowboy or Oklahoma Sooner.

South Carolina, I'll have to have someone else make an analysis here. I don't know much about South Carolina, but obviously Presbyterian College must feel confident enough in the high school wrestling that the state produces to field a wrestling program next season.

Arkansas is a funny one to think about it. Wrestling in the state at the high school level is less than 10 years old. Yet, today there are 3 wrestlers in Division I that graduated from an Arkansas high school and their have been wrestlers in the past as well. Forming a team with strictly kids from Arkansas would be a challenge. I'll admit.

Louisiana State is pretty much a lot like Arkansas. Although high school wrestling has been in the state much longer, results are about the same. State has produced some outstanding talent. Daniel Cormier and David Bonin being among two of them. However, it isn't consistent. Only 4 wrestlers at the Division I level this season graduated from a Louisiana high school.

Kentucky has 7 wrestlers currently wrestling Division I in the 2017-2018 season. Not as good as Florida, Georgia, Tennessee or Texas, but better than Louisiana and Arkansas.

That leaves Alabama and Auburn. 9 wrestlers in Division I right now are from Alabama. While not near as strong as Georgia, Florida, and Texas, what Alabama has going for it is that Georgia and Florida both produce a ton of talent. Nearby state recruiting for the gaps that in state talent might leave.

So let's take what we have

Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri - Logically, statistically, realistically could produce competitive wrestling teams with talent from their own states or nearby states. I'd say 75% or higher of rosters could be local talent. 100% in Georgia and Florida. Kids who graduated from the same state.

Alabama, Auburn - Would have to recruit heavier from nearby states, but could still field decent wrestling teams with nearby talent.

Louisiana State, Arkansas and Kentucky - More challenging. Making up teams full of kids from in state here would be more difficult. Here is where out of state recruiting would come more into play.

Ole Miss and Mississippi State - Forget about it.

I feel very confident in a 6 out of 13 teams have wrestling SEC conference. With Missouri leading the way at first, it'd only be a matter of time before Georgia and Florida, with their own local talent were both consistently top 20 teams year in and year out if not better. Talking multiple NCAA qualifiers with each team producing 1-3 All Americans per year.

An 8 out of 13 teams have SEC conference I feel is also realistic, adding in Alabama and Auburn.

11 out of 13 is realistically the best I think we could hope for. 6 out of 13 the most realistic, 8 out of 13 doable.

13/13 not happening anytime soon. The state of Mississippi has been anti-wrestling for a very long time. When the SEC decided to do wrestling back in the 1969-1970 season, the athletic directors at both schools responded, "No, never." Looks like they meant it.

But yeah, I'll say it one more time. No reason why for the talent that Georgia and Florida produces at the high school level that the state can't provide at least one Division I opportunity for its athletes. Starting with the Bulldogs and the Gators would be a fantastic idea.

My two cents, for what they're apparently not worth.


There is a higher likelihood that wrestling ends up like gymnastics ( 20-25 teams) than the SEC deciding to add wrestling. It will never happen


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:39 PM

Isn't Vanderbilt also in the SEC. Private school, in Kentucky, lots of endowment, good academics. But they have never had a team. 

 

Georgia Tech, yeah I know tey are ACC. But they lack wrestling (and M+W Soccer and W Golf)

 

Are you (JT) sure about when Auburn dropped? The way I remember it. Alabama 1st, of course. Then Fl was awarded the NCAA Tourney, won the LHU Mat-town, and returned home to find the team canceled.

 

A year or two later Georgia won MatTown, returned home had program dropped.

 

Dec 1984 Tennessee won MatTown, returned home, program dropped.

 

Kentucky dropped the program somewhere in Fl-Ga-Tenn timeframe.

 

I thought Then LSU dropped, and Auburn a year later, but maybe that order was reversed. 


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:14 PM

Isn't Vanderbilt also in the SEC. Private school, in Kentucky, lots of endowment, good academics. But they have never had a team. 

 

Georgia Tech, yeah I know tey are ACC. But they lack wrestling (and M+W Soccer and W Golf)

 

Are you (JT) sure about when Auburn dropped? The way I remember it. Alabama 1st, of course. Then Fl was awarded the NCAA Tourney, won the LHU Mat-town, and returned home to find the team canceled.

 

A year or two later Georgia won MatTown, returned home had program dropped.

 

Dec 1984 Tennessee won MatTown, returned home, program dropped.

 

Kentucky dropped the program somewhere in Fl-Ga-Tenn timeframe.

 

I thought Then LSU dropped, and Auburn a year later, but maybe that order was reversed. 

Vanderbilt had a wrestling program that was dropped sometime in the 1950's. 

Georgia Tech had a varsity wrestling program from 1949-1989. The Yellow Jackets produced 10 wrestlers that qualified for the NCAA tournament a total of 14 times, with 1 All American. 

Auburn dropped in 1981.  That year alone, they won the SEC conference championship, produced 5 NCAA qualifiers, 2 of which were All Americans.  Altogether the Tigers had 38 wrestlers that qualified a total of 57 times to the NCAA tournament. 8 All Americans, one of which was an NCAA champion. 

Tennessee ran from 1940-1986. In 1986 they had four NCAA qualifiers, one of which was an All American.  Altogether 24 wrestlers and 44 NCAA qualifications. 11 All Americans, 1 NCAA champion. 

Florida specifically got wrestling to be a part of the SEC conference and ran from 1969-1970 season until the program was dropped in after the 1979-1980 season.  During their 10 year existence, they finished with one SEC conference team title and four runner-up finishes.  12 wrestlers qualified a total of 22 times, with 1 All American. 

Kentucky wrestling existed at one time prior to their run in the SEC. I'm not sure of the start or end date on that.  For their SEC run, they started wrestling again in 1975, and this was primarily because of Fletcher Carr. Kentucky wanted him as a football coach and his deal was if and only if the school would agree to field a wrestling team and he would be allowed to coach it.  The team ran from 1974-1975 through 1983.  During this short period of time, 16 wrestlers qualified for the NCAA tournament 30 times.  Wildcats produced 11 All Americans. 

Louisiana State held on the longest.  The tigers first started their varsity wrestling program in the 1969-1970 season when the SEC decided they wanted to do wrestling.  41 wrestlers qualified a total of 65 times to the NCAA tournament. 13 All Americans.  They dropped in 1986. 


And that's the information I have to provide, for what it's apparently not worth. 

 


"Gable said something in the newspapers to the effect that he had to show up on the podium and accept defeat like he accepted winning. Personally, I think that's the mark of a true sportsman. Such antics as having to be called repeatedly to the awards podium, hopping down prematurely, trashing one's medal at the venue, etc., don't show how much a guy hates to lose, etc. Taking a loss like a man, then coming back to compete harder (again like Gable did) does." Hurricanewrestling

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:20 PM

There is a higher likelihood that wrestling ends up like gymnastics ( 20-25 teams) than the SEC deciding to add wrestling. It will never happen


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I was 15 years old when I first joined themat.com   

A 15 year old freshman in high school.  

We talked back then about the likelyhood of Arkansas ever having collegiate wrestling of any kind. 

Answers varied from "absolutely not", "Never", "No" to the most positive of them all, "Maybe the state might one day get high school wrestling sanctioned, and if that happens maybe, just maybe, a college program will pop up but I doubt it."

2008-2009 saw the first year of sanctioned high school wrestling in Arkansas.  

Today the state of Arkansas has 6 varsity wrestling programs at the collegiate level.  1 NJCAA, 3 NAIA, 1 DIII, and 1 DII.

The wrestling bunch has never been accused of being the optimistic type.  And with all of the negative that has happened to our sport throughout the years, hard to blame them. 

My opinion, for what it's apparently not worth. 


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"Gable said something in the newspapers to the effect that he had to show up on the podium and accept defeat like he accepted winning. Personally, I think that's the mark of a true sportsman. Such antics as having to be called repeatedly to the awards podium, hopping down prematurely, trashing one's medal at the venue, etc., don't show how much a guy hates to lose, etc. Taking a loss like a man, then coming back to compete harder (again like Gable did) does." Hurricanewrestling

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:23 PM

Isn't Vanderbilt also in the SEC. Private school, in Kentucky, lots of endowment, good academics. But they have never had a team. 

 

 

Yes, Vandy was one of the founding members of the SEC.  Its located in Tennessee (Nashville) though - not Kentucky.

 

BTW, Tennessee finished 8th at NCAA's in their final season, with 3 AA's, including national champ Chris Edmond.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:11 PM

Vanderbilt had a wrestling program that was dropped sometime in the 1950's.

Georgia Tech had a varsity wrestling program from 1949-1989. The Yellow Jackets produced 10 wrestlers that qualified for the NCAA tournament a total of 14 times, with 1 All American.

Auburn dropped in 1981. That year alone, they won the SEC conference championship, produced 5 NCAA qualifiers, 2 of which were All Americans. Altogether the Tigers had 38 wrestlers that qualified a total of 57 times to the NCAA tournament. 8 All Americans, one of which was an NCAA champion.

Tennessee ran from 1940-1986. In 1986 they had four NCAA qualifiers, one of which was an All American. Altogether 24 wrestlers and 44 NCAA qualifications. 11 All Americans, 1 NCAA champion.

Florida specifically got wrestling to be a part of the SEC conference and ran from 1969-1970 season until the program was dropped in after the 1979-1980 season. During their 10 year existence, they finished with one SEC conference team title and four runner-up finishes. 12 wrestlers qualified a total of 22 times, with 1 All American.

Kentucky wrestling existed at one time prior to their run in the SEC. I'm not sure of the start or end date on that. For their SEC run, they started wrestling again in 1975, and this was primarily because of Fletcher Carr. Kentucky wanted him as a football coach and his deal was if and only if the school would agree to field a wrestling team and he would be allowed to coach it. The team ran from 1974-1975 through 1983. During this short period of time, 16 wrestlers qualified for the NCAA tournament 30 times. Wildcats produced 11 All Americans.

Louisiana State held on the longest. The tigers first started their varsity wrestling program in the 1969-1970 season when the SEC decided they wanted to do wrestling. 41 wrestlers qualified a total of 65 times to the NCAA tournament. 13 All Americans. They dropped in 1986.


And that's the information I have to provide, for what it's apparently not worth.


How did you find info out about Georgia Tech. I have a family member that was trying to find more out about the history of the GT program

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:47 PM

How did you find info out about Georgia Tech. I have a family member that was trying to find more out about the history of the GT program

Hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours of research. 

For what it's apparently not worth. 


"Gable said something in the newspapers to the effect that he had to show up on the podium and accept defeat like he accepted winning. Personally, I think that's the mark of a true sportsman. Such antics as having to be called repeatedly to the awards podium, hopping down prematurely, trashing one's medal at the venue, etc., don't show how much a guy hates to lose, etc. Taking a loss like a man, then coming back to compete harder (again like Gable did) does." Hurricanewrestling

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

Bama is freaking amazing.  5 National titles in 9 years.  Other than them the SEC is not so much though.  Who else has done anything.  The Big 12 teams that went there are the same mid level programs that they were here in the Big 12.  



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 01:26 AM

Bama is freaking amazing. 5 National titles in 9 years. Other than them the SEC is not so much though. Who else has done anything. The Big 12 teams that went there are the same mid level programs that they were here in the Big 12.


Florida, LSU and Auburn have all won the national championship in the last 10 years. I think an SEC team has won the national championship 9 out of the last 12 years. I don’t think another conference even comes close to that.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 01:32 AM

I was 15 years old when I first joined themat.com

A 15 year old freshman in high school.

We talked back then about the likelyhood of Arkansas ever having collegiate wrestling of any kind.

Answers varied from "absolutely not", "Never", "No" to the most positive of them all, "Maybe the state might one day get high school wrestling sanctioned, and if that happens maybe, just maybe, a college program will pop up but I doubt it."

2008-2009 saw the first year of sanctioned high school wrestling in Arkansas.

Today the state of Arkansas has 6 varsity wrestling programs at the collegiate level. 1 NJCAA, 3 NAIA, 1 DIII, and 1 DII.

The wrestling bunch has never been accused of being the optimistic type. And with all of the negative that has happened to our sport throughout the years, hard to blame them.

My opinion, for what it's apparently not worth.


I appreciate the passion, and your research. The challenges to SEC wrestling are many. Smaller divisions or NAIA can add the sport because it helps bring in more potential students who will pay 12-15K year for tuition.

The biggest issues for the SEC are related to travel and a lack of built in wrestling culture in most of those states. I highly doubt they would add a sport where only 4 or 5 teams field teams, so it is probably an all or nothing proposition.

In the Mid-Atlantic, East and most of the Midwest, teams can hop on a bus and drive to any number of other D1 programs within a few hours. That would not be the case for any of those states.

Our biggest push should be to increase more opportunities in the west, where we already have some programs.





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