Snyder as far as dominance on the awards stand sure, but the weight is much thinner (talent wise) you can't think that Snyder's skillset would translate at lighter weights, hell I'd think Yazdani is better. Im hoping through some weight changes we get to see Yaz vs Sad, I know Sad is a Tank but as far as overall wrestling I think hes just good at being big. When I say p4p I mean from the lightest to the heaviest that individuals skillset would translate to wins regardless, seems like that would likely come from somebody in the middle.
Again I am from USA, I hope we win every weight every year and cheer for Snyder, Burroughs, hell even Gilman, at every event, dont don't take my appreciation for another countries athlete as a slight against America
*note Im not denying either Snyder's or Sads former accomplishments, they're both amazing and between streaks and gold thats awesome, but when I read everyone else has "a long way to go" I read, "they cant be considered better at any moment unless they have equal accolades" which just isnt true.
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Don’t even know where to begin with this...
... with the most ridiculous, I guess. Sad is just good at being big?? Is that a serious comment? Do you realize he just went UP 24 lbs and beat everyone except Snyder, whom he took down and led until the final seconds of the match? Apparently, he’s pretty friggin world class at just being small too... Sadulaev is one of the best technicians in the world right now at any weight. He just makes it look so easy that his opponents appear to be a bunch of knuckle dragging plodders. But they’re not.
These P4P discussions always get derailed by the guys who think the lightweight or middleweight guy is more skilled than the heavier guy because they move better or can do things with their lighter bodies that the heavier guys can’t. But it cuts both ways. Wrestling bigger guys requires just as much skill, just different skill. I have been vocal about the heavyweight class being soft relative to the other weights, but 86 kg and even 97 kg is full of studs and the same argument cannot hold there. A 150 lb man will always be able to do things with his body that a 220 lb man cannot due to the laws of scaling (physical abilities do not scale linearly with physical size), but the reverse is also true. If you added 60 lbs to Chamizo through gamma ray exposure and he became the Cuban-Italian Hulk, he himself would not be able to do some of the things little Chamizo can do. It’s literally not physically possible. But he’d be able to do things that little Chamizo can’t do, like move a lot more weight and exert a higher degree of force and power and leverage.
P4P is therefore necessarily subjective and in many ways a flawed concept. But there’s no denying that right now, Snyder and Sadulaev are the class of the wrestling world. Their resumes, and HOW those resumes were built, are too much of an outlier to seriously consider anyone else.
Edited by wrestlingnerd, 17 January 2018 - 04:31 AM.