wrestlingnerd 2,357 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Are basically all the tough matches for Suriano, Lee and Nato before big tens? If so then it hardly matters b/c Suriano gets #1 and then Lee and Nato meet in the semifinals of Big Tens, no? Don't forget the Lizard. He will face Lee and Suriano in the respective dual against Iowa and Rutgers before B1G. I think it's unlikely he'll beat either, but you never know with a guy who is almost always just one big move away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 888 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Great win for the young PA star Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 857 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Don't forget the Lizard. He will face Lee and Suriano in the respective dual against Iowa and Rutgers before B1G. I think it's unlikely he'll beat either, but you never know with a guy who is almost always just one big move away. True, true. The way that Nato pummeled him I just kind of counted him out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 956 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Color me skeptical but it's hard for me to get excited when you win without getting a single takedown or turn. A good win to be sure, but my take on lee is that hes not as good as i originally gave him credit for. 1 Fletcher reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,357 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Color me skeptical but it's hard for me to get excited when you win without getting a single takedown or turn. A good win to be sure, but my take on lee is that hes not as good as i originally gave him credit for. You are severely underestimating how good Nato is. ANY victory over Nato is incredibly impressive for an 18-year old, I don't care who it is. 3 pjm46, lightweight and denger reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 322 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Campbell should have taken top. Tough call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 956 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 I would disagree on underestimating nato, I'm just less than impressed with Lee's ability to take down some of the elite guys he's faced. Zero takedowns between NATO and bresser is a glaring problem offset only by how amazing he is on top. That may seriously cost lee come ncaas and big 10s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,357 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 I would disagree on underestimating nato, I'm just less than impressed with Lee's ability to take down some of the elite guys he's faced. Zero takedowns between NATO and bresser is a glaring problem offset only by how amazing he is on top. That may seriously cost lee come ncaas and big 10s. I just don't see it that way. Lee's best position has always been top. Nato's has always been neutral. He's a national champ who has lost a grand total of two matches at two weight classes in three years of wrestling at the NCAA tournament. He was very close to Gilman as recently as this summer, when Gilman proved he was world-class takedown ability. You can't expect any 18-year old to outgun a guy like that from the feet. How many guys have taken Nato down in college total? In the last year, was Cory Clark the only one? I wouldn't begrudge you for being disappointed in Lee not taking Bresser down. But Bresser kept even TD machine Daton Fix (who took Nato down several times very recently in freestyle) to one last-second TD. He's clearly very shifty and hard to score on. Still, it's more than fair to expect Lee to be able to take Bresser down. Nato is a different beast, though. 5 lightweight, Erminio8, tightwaist and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 857 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 I just don't see it that way. Lee's best position has always been top. Nato's has always been neutral. He's a national champ who has lost a grand total of two matches at two weight classes in three years of wrestling at the NCAA tournament. He was very close to Gilman as recently as this summer, when Gilman proved he was world-class takedown ability. You can't expect any 18-year old to outgun a guy like that from the feet. How many guys have taken Nato down in college total? In the last year, was Cory Clark the only one? I wouldn't begrudge you for being disappointed in Lee not taking Bresser down. But Bresser kept even TD machine Daton Fix (who took Nato down several times very recently in freestyle) to one last-second TD. He's clearly very shifty and hard to score on. Still, it's more than fair to expect Lee to be able to take Bresser down. Nato is a different beast, though. Nicely put Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 672 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Great win for the young PA star Great win for the young PA star Thought he went to Iowa? ;_; Edited January 21, 2018 by ionel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Witherman 266 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 I just don't see it that way. Lee's best position has always been top. Nato's has always been neutral. He's a national champ who has lost a grand total of two matches at two weight classes in three years of wrestling at the NCAA tournament. He was very close to Gilman as recently as this summer, when Gilman proved he was world-class takedown ability. You can't expect any 18-year old to outgun a guy like that from the feet. How many guys have taken Nato down in college total? In the last year, was Cory Clark the only one? I wouldn't begrudge you for being disappointed in Lee not taking Bresser down. But Bresser kept even TD machine Daton Fix (who took Nato down several times very recently in freestyle) to one last-second TD. He's clearly very shifty and hard to score on. Still, it's more than fair to expect Lee to be able to take Bresser down. Nato is a different beast, though. don't mid perry nerd, he's grasping at any straw he possibly can to discredit the young Hawk stud Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,516 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Will Bresser be the new Paul Jenn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mpchillin 88 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 I just don't see it that way. Lee's best position has always been top. Nato's has always been neutral. He's a national champ who has lost a grand total of two matches at two weight classes in three years of wrestling at the NCAA tournament. He was very close to Gilman as recently as this summer, when Gilman proved he was world-class takedown ability. You can't expect any 18-year old to outgun a guy like that from the feet. How many guys have taken Nato down in college total? In the last year, was Cory Clark the only one? I wouldn't begrudge you for being disappointed in Lee not taking Bresser down. But Bresser kept even TD machine Daton Fix (who took Nato down several times very recently in freestyle) to one last-second TD. He's clearly very shifty and hard to score on. Still, it's more than fair to expect Lee to be able to take Bresser down. Nato is a different beast, though. Fix didn’t take Bresser down either. He won 2-1 with 1:05 of riding time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denger 205 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 yeah it’ll be settled there. Suriano lizak and nato Lee Lizak lost to Mattin today. Mattin has two losses to Welch of Purdue. Could Lizak end up the 6th seed? He'll see Lee and Suriano in the next few weeks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,357 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Fix didn’t take Bresser down either. He won 2-1 with 1:05 of riding time. Thanks. I keep confusing him and Fausz on the finals. Even more to my point! Hard to imagine too many guys who can keep both a Fix and Lee to zero TDs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,516 Report post Posted January 21, 2018 Thanks. I keep confusing him and Fausz on the finals. Even more to my point! Hard to imagine too many guys who can keep both a Fix and Lee to zero TDs. AND SURIANO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,545 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 I for one loath the prevented TD statistic.....particularly in reference to a guy who doesn't do anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,266 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 Lee's offense is fine. He is a true freshman. He isn't going to get a bunch of td's against a wrestler as good as nato. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,545 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 again you don't seem to know whats going on at all..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 555 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 I still like Cruz or NATO over the field. I know Suriano got him (Cruz) last year and Lee just fought off takedown attempts vs NATO, but as far as predicted NCAA finish, not just "current records" I'll go NATO CRUZ SURIANO LEE PICC/LIzak Who knows Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paboom 204 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 I would disagree on underestimating nato, I'm just less than impressed with Lee's ability to take down some of the elite guys he's faced. Zero takedowns between NATO and bresser is a glaring problem offset only by how amazing he is on top. That may seriously cost lee come ncaas and big 10s.Remember JO's nickname his redshirt freshman season? Stalliver. He was a takedown machine later on. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,013 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 I for one loath the prevented TD statistic.....particularly in reference to a guy who doesn't do anything. someone hits said wrestler with stalling when he backs ups those are not even matches 1 hammerlockthree reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paboom 204 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 I still like Cruz or NATO over the field. I know Suriano got him (Cruz) last year and Lee just fought off takedown attempts vs NATO, but as far as predicted NCAA finish, not just "current records" I'll go NATO CRUZ SURIANO LEE PICC/LIzak Who knows Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk I refuse to predict this weight. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 555 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) I refuse to predict this weight. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk HAHAHA I dont blame you. Whoever guesses the finalists right is going to go crazy saying "I knew it, I told you so" , but toooooo much talent, razor thin margins, its just whoever wins that day. 4 or 5 way coinflip. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Edited January 22, 2018 by spladle08 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 857 Report post Posted January 22, 2018 HAHAHA I dont blame you. Whoever guesses the finalists right is going to go crazy saying "I knew it, I told you so" , but toooooo much talent, razor thin margins, its just whoever wins that day. 4 or 5 way coinflip. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk The thing that excites me is Lee's potential to improve from now till March merely by getting in better shape and gaining confidence in his knee. No other wrestler has so much scope for improvement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites