Greatdane67 198 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 Can someone logically explain what is going on here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,710 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 His bad habits are catching up to him. 1 Old142 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whyme25 54 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 When your mentally done, your done, body won't respond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 953 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 I’m with whyme, he’s wrestling like he’s lost it. Only question is can he return to form? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,175 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 He's lost a couple close matches to guys that have always been just a hair below him. It's hard to keep beating the same tough guys that many times too. Eirmann is incredibly dangerous and heil looked to be in good positions until eirmann came out on top in the dual last night. As for Ian Parker coming up and winning a close one I wonder if him bumping is the reason that storr is leaving isu. Maybe he couldn't hold the weight and he beat out storr for the starting spot? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most logical one. He stopped improving. The field caught up to him. Meredith, Jack, and especially Eierman all look improved over last year. Heil looks, at best, the same. Those guys were all within striking distance of Heil last year. Now, they are at his level or better. 2 Coach_J and iGranby reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zebra 545 Report post Posted January 28, 2018 The Heil Rule took away his primary TD defense and he has not completely adapted. That in in the MIZZ dual he was stupid. 3 SC_Wrestling, squeek and Ogalthorpe Haywood reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LkwdSteve 141 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 He's lost a couple close matches to guys that have always been just a hair below him. It's hard to keep beating the same tough guys that many times too. Eirmann is incredibly dangerous and heil looked to be in good positions until eirmann came out on top in the dual last night. As for Ian Parker coming up and winning a close one I wonder if him bumping is the reason that storr is leaving isu. Maybe he couldn't hold the weight and he beat out storr for the starting spot? Maybe. But, to me, he looks like he himself has taken a "step back". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,071 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 It’s bizarre I almost want him to win the title, just for the redemption story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buf87 77 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 He had as tough of schedule as anyone recently. Losses to #1, #2 and #3 in last weeks Intermat rankings, and Parker. 1 tightwaist reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 He relied on holding on from his back to avoid TDs. It completely changed the way he had to wrestle. Watch his matches from last year. To be forced to abandon that is being forced to change so much of your arsenal. Now he gives up TDs, and I think the confidence is out the window 1 Peso reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,417 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 He relied on holding on from his back to avoid TDs. It completely changed the way he had to wrestle. Watch his matches from last year. To be forced to abandon that is being forced to change so much of your arsenal. Now he gives up TDs, and I think the confidence is out the window Go watch all of his matches while winning his 2nd national title and he doesn't go to that strategy at all. He has scored TDs off his own shots on every top guy in the country the last 2 years. This is not a rule change issue. The field got much better at 141 and that has an effect. But it's more than that too. He didn't lose to Ian Parker today because the field got worse or because the rules changed. Something is clearly wrong with him. It doesn't look to be a physical issue, but rather HEW. 2 Yellow_Medal and rcoates1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 It doesn't look to be a physical issue, but rather HEW. Maybe it's the MSU158 curse. Heil started losing immediately after he said something about John Smith's game planning skills and Heil winning again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviator12 196 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 What is the Heil rule people are referring to exactly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 402 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 The new danger rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 After being exposed for 5 seconds(i think) back points begin because too many wrestlers were holding on in crack down positions and being called stalemate while almost being pinned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peso 331 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) He relied on holding on from his back to avoid TDs. It completely changed the way he had to wrestle. Watch his matches from last year. To be forced to abandon that is being forced to change so much of your arsenal. Now he gives up TDs, and I think the confidence is out the window I agree 100%. The Heil Rule made him change everything, and frankly, being the most hated wrestler in the last decade, with no answers for his plight, has probably beat him up pretty big mentally too. I'm glad they changed the rule. I'm pretty sure someone was going to make him pay for that style this year. They were getting pretty close last season to stopping him in that position a couple of times. I'm pulling for him, but I'd put him at about 10% to get his 3rd. Edited January 29, 2018 by Peso Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iGranby 175 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 A win over Heil means less and less with each passing day. I get that Parker is no slouch, but c'mon. The other 3 losses I get honesty, but this last one has me scratching my head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 There's still plenty of time for Dean Heil to pull himself together. Last year people were throwing shade at OSU for peaking too early and then coming out flat at NCAAs. I think Heil will be fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 595 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 The Heil Rule made him change everything, and frankly, being the most hated wrestler in the last decade, with no answers for his plight, has probably beat him up pretty big mentally too. A lot of people didn't like his style, but the most hated in the last decade? Over-stating it a bit aren't you? 1 ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeanGuy 102 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 Wrestling is such a tough grind. I am always amazed that guys can stay engaged during 4, 5, or 6 years of college especially if you don't have international aspirations. I don't know if Heil is having a little burn out right now or if the field is just that much better. I guess that is why there are only 26-3X champs and 4-4X champs all time. 4 AllISeeIsBronze, tightwaist, KTG119 and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tec87 349 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 A lot of people didn't like his style, but the most hated in the last decade? Over-stating it a bit aren't you? he’s not even the most hated cowboy in the last 10-15 yrs. lol 2 Yellow_Medal and tightwaist reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 953 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 If anyone can explain the "Heil Rule" I'd appreciate it. Is it the new danger rule? Was it really added because of the Heil-style or are we making fun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XiXiTiger 23 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 BTF, watch Heil's match against Gulibon in their dual last year. I think many would say that match was the impetus for the new danger rule as it was definitely the most well-known example. Heil spent a considerable amount of time on his back scrambling to avoid a takedown. Another good example is the D Lewis/IMar match from last year. In the first period Lewis gets in deep on a leg and IMar starts scrambling. IMar ends up on his back for over 5 seconds, looks pinned or close to it, but has a leg so no takedown. Because Lewis didn't have "control", the ref doesn't even look for the pin and calls a stalemate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zebra 545 Report post Posted January 29, 2018 BTF, watch Heil's match against Gulibon in their dual last year. I think many would say that match was the impetus for the new danger rule as it was definitely the most well-known example. Heil spent a considerable amount of time on his back scrambling to avoid a takedown. Dude he wasn't even scrambling, he was just hanging on to a crotch-lift position for seemingly minutes at a time with no attempt to do anything. But you are correct that is the match which is the most egregious example and since ti was very high profile probably the "last straw" so to speak and the Heil Rule was born. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites