RUTGERS PUNKS

[jchapman 1,148]

One thing that came to my mind on reviewing a head gear pull.

When Lehigh wrestled PSU, Parker got a takedown that led to a pin. It came from hands near the head. PSU challenged saying that there was a grab. The review did not positively show that that happened so call stood.

In this case the ref called the grab and the challenge was that it didn't happen.

In the first case, the reviewers task was to see if he could see that something happened.

In the second case, the task was to positively determine that something did NOT happen. How can you do that unless the hands were nowhere near the headgear? As a reviewer, you might well feel that you wouldn't have called it but your job isn't to go with that but to find positive proof of the occurrence or non-occurrence of an event.

Right, I'd like to get an offical's take on this.  The reviewer may have had to say, yes he did tug on the headgear.  What the real problem was, the mat official did not call time out when the headgear was around his neck and both wrestlers had disengaged and were making their way back to the center of the mat.

[cornercoach 448]

...goodale has an attitude issue- combine that with being unable to control your team= negative...

[gimpeltf 1,640]

Right, I'd like to get an offical's take on this.  The reviewer may have had to say, yes he did tug on the headgear.  What the real problem was, the mat official did not call time out when the headgear was around his neck and both wrestlers had disengaged and were making their way back to the center of the mat.

 

Again, it's not a question of his seeing a tug to confirm the call, he was asked to positively NOT see a tug to overrule it.

He may have felt there wasn't a penalizable grab but that doesn't mean there's proof positive of that fact.

[NJwrestlingguy 106]

...goodale has an attitude issue- combine that with being unable to control your team= nega

Can you show some examples of that?  He's been there 10 years  so you must have numerous ..A couple of Penn State fans are so freaked out that PSU didn't treat Rutgers like Maryland!

[NJWC 305]

Can you show some examples of that? He's been there 10 years so you must have numerous ..A couple of Penn State fans are so freaked out that PSU didn't treat Rutgers like Maryland!

That’s all this is about. Rutgers has the nerve to actually compete, instead of simply rolling over.

Nolf injured in a 1pt match, and two other NCs fortunate to win by a pt each.

[MSU158 1,614]

Right, I'd like to get an offical's take on this.  The reviewer may have had to say, yes he did tug on the headgear.  What the real problem was, the mat official did not call time out when the headgear was around his neck and both wrestlers had disengaged and were making their way back to the center of the mat.

 

By my interpretation of the following rule:  "Grasping of Clothing" -- A contestant may grab nothing but his opponent while wrestling or this encroachment will be called. Furthermore, when a wrestler grasps his adversary's uniform to prevent him from scoring , the appropriate penalty point(s) will be given along with any points his opponent may have obtained.

 

Once the ref did not call timeout prior to the "grasping" occurring, he HAD TO call the violation.  Nowhere does it say that if the "clothing" was not on in the exact meant for fashion, that grasping it was no longer a penalty.

 

Simply put, Joseph did in fact grasp the headgear.  Now, I would call timeout almost immediately if the headgear gets dislodged without imminent action.  But, many refs do not.  That part is judgement.  The call is not.  I think it was called correctly, but the situation leading up to it could have been stopped prior to it happening.

[NJwrestlingguy 106]

Why so much talk about the Headgear call?

 

6-5 finish with call

6-4 finish without call

[MSU158 1,614]

Why so much talk about the Headgear call?

 

6-5 finish with call

6-4 finish without call

Because it was a rather unique situation that led up to the call and it COULD have mattered if Lewis was able to get a takedown(Although I am not sure anyone can take Joseph down with any sort of leg attack).  His "hip positioning" really seems to be as much about his upper leg strength/size.  Those thighs are massive and the strength and speed they exhibit when reacting is something special.

Edited January 29, 2018 by MSU158

[jchapman 1,148]

By my interpretation of the following rule:  "Grasping of Clothing" -- A contestant may grab nothing but his opponent while wrestling or this encroachment will be called. Furthermore, when a wrestler grasps his adversary's uniform to prevent him from scoring , the appropriate penalty point(s) will be given along with any points his opponent may have obtained.

 

Once the ref did not call timeout prior to the "grasping" occurring, he HAD TO call the violation.  Nowhere does it say that if the "clothing" was not on in the exact meant for fashion, that grasping it was no longer a penalty.

 

Simply put, Joseph did in fact grasp the headgear.  Now, I would call timeout almost immediately if the headgear gets dislodged without imminent action.  But, many refs do not.  That part is judgement.  The call is not.  I think it was called correctly, but the situation leading up to it could have been stopped prior to it happening.

I agree. You said it better than I did.

[AMastrandrea 10]

Can you show some examples of that?  He's been there 10 years  so you must have numerous ..A couple of Penn State fans are so freaked out that PSU didn't treat Rutgers like Maryland!

10 might  be too long for him, so just give an example since 2011

[dabearspack 11]

Look at Richie Lewis' twitter account (@lewisrichie) and see how he's talking about knocking out dudes and Bo Nickal going to sleep.  Then ask why Goodale hasn't made him take that down and apologize.  And there's your indicator of the culture that is allowed to exist at Rutgers.

[madcat11 420]

[madcat11 420]

That’s how you know someone is very tough.

[NJWC 305]

The PSU contingent is losing me their minds, lol. What a soft group.

Your shot at a national title likely ended yesterday, and with the exception of Hall, none of your elite guys looked that great. Nickel wrestled like that vs Myles, it won’t be close.

[NJwrestlingguy 106]

1 complaint about a college kid tweeting?  And thats the culture of the Program?  You need to cry about something better!

[tec87 349]

1 complaint about a college kid tweeting? And thats the culture of the Program? You need to cry about something better!

yeah if one were to judge a program based on a wrestlers tweets, one might think PSU has some poor sports and sore losers.... a la DT after cox lost at worlds.

[TBar1977 3,953]

Richie Lewis tweet is what punks do when they lose. Lewis has 3 losses already. He will end with with 7.

[Old_Marine_Wrestler 245]

That’s all this is about. Rutgers has the nerve to actually compete, instead of simply rolling over.

Nolf injured in a 1pt match, and two other NCs fortunate to win by a pt each.

Nothing fortunate about those pt each wins.

 

They won, Rutgers didn't.  Close losses are great in middle school. In college a close loss is just a loss.

[cangemi 227]

Jaroslav Hasek

 

I guess you don't like my gut feeling. My gut feeling is being around Jersey kids my whole life and understanding them.  I seen Deluca was from Oregon

so wet on him.

 

I would bet I'm not too far off on them having and edge being from Jersey. 

 

Frank C 

[NJWC 305]

Nothing fortunate about those pt each wins.

 

They won, Rutgers didn't. Close losses are great in middle school. In college a close loss is just a loss.

Says the PSU boot locker. Tough to crow when the matches are razor thin, you don’t realize this?

I know all about college wrestling, and I promise the two staffs left yesterday with different outlooks for their squads going forward.

[Old_Marine_Wrestler 245]

Says the PSU boot locker. Tough to crow when the matches are razor thin, you don’t realize this?

I know all about college wrestling, and I promise the two staffs left yesterday with different outlooks for their squads going forward.

My PSU transcripts have nothing about boot locker - or boot licker, which is probably what you were going for?

 

And I know you know your college wrestling.  Is it because a PSU wrestler beat the **** out of you, or stole your girlfriend, that you're so bitter towards Penn State?

[NJwrestlingguy 106]

Penn State fans better get these before they sell out. They will be unavailable in Cleveland.

 

http://www.rallyhouse.com/Penn-State-Nittany-Lions-Tissues-Tissue-Box-88490325

Edited January 29, 2018 by NJwrestlingguy

[swoopdown 485]

Nothing fortunate about those pt each wins.

 

They won, Rutgers didn't. Close losses are great in middle school. In college a close loss is just a loss.

Claiming that close losses are "something to build on" or "a moral victory" is the college equivalent of a participation trophy. Happy or sad depends on what you're used to and what you expect I guess ...

 

 

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[WillieBoy 713]

I thought PSU folks were more into the same sex lifestyle? I seem to recall reading something to that effect.

Not the wrestlers who go after fellow wrestlers mothers or who believe in polygamy.

[MSU158 1,614]

Claiming that close losses are "something to build on" or "a moral victory" is the college equivalent of a participation trophy. Happy or sad depends on what you're used to and what you expect I guess ...

 

 

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If you don't think a close loss to someone that is supposed to blow you out builds major confidence, you don't know College Wrestling.  Now, I am not saying that Lewis or Gravina will end up beating either Joseph or Nickal, but they definitely believe they can even more so after those losses.

 

Simply put, lose 17-2, you can't just shrug it off(except maybe Caldwell via Metcalf).  Lose 6-5, your mental state is WAAAAAAY different.