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Probably a little early, but I'll take a stab at this.  Please let me know who I have at the wrong weight or should be including.

 

57kg:  Gilman over Fix

61kg:  Maple over Tomasello/Graff/Ramos (or if Maple bumps up, could be any of those 3 beating any of the others)

65kg:  Zain over Steiber

70kg:  Calling for upset.... Molinaro over Green

74kg:  Burroughs over IMar (or will he go up to 79?)

79kg:  Dake over Dieringer (or will he stay at 74?)

86kg:  Taylor over Nickel

92kg:  Cox over ???

97kg:  Snyder over Heflin

125kg: Gwiz over Bradley

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My turn! (thanks for letting me play):


 


57kg:  Fix over Gilman


61kg:  Maple over Graff/Ramos


65kg:  Stieber over Zain


70kg:  Molinaro over Green (Nolf will be in for 2019)


74kg:  Burroughs over IMar


79kg:  Dake over Hall


86kg:  Taylor over Zahid


92kg:  Moore over Cox (BOOM!)


97kg:  Snyder over Gadsen


125kg: Gwiz over Bradley/Nelson/Telford (Gable will be in for 2019)


 


So... my biggest surprise is Kollin Moore bringing the real deal heat at 92kg.  If Snyder is the 97kg rep, and P4P best in the world, it's only natural that his training partner is getting the best looks that anyone in the world could give, thus making test of overcoming Cox a bit easier.  It won't be easy, but... definitely a possibility.  


 


I think Hall and Zahid both start to make noise this year at the Senior level, but not enough to break the world.  Dake and Taylor begin their couple year domination series, with Taylor becoming the most successful of the bunch (Hall eventually overtakes Dake, and Zahid never topples Taylor, until Taylor says so).  


 


Ok... I'm probably REALLY wrong... but... worth a try.


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My turn! (thanks for letting me play):

 

57kg:  Fix over Gilman

61kg:  Maple over Graff/Ramos

65kg:  Stieber over Zain

70kg:  Molinaro over Green (Nolf will be in for 2019)

74kg:  Burroughs over IMar

79kg:  Dake over Hall

86kg:  Taylor over Zahid

92kg:  Moore over Cox (BOOM!)

97kg:  Snyder over Gadsen

125kg: Gwiz over Bradley/Nelson/Telford (Gable will be in for 2019)

 

So... my biggest surprise is Kollin Moore bringing the real deal heat at 92kg.  If Snyder is the 97kg rep, and P4P best in the world, it's only natural that his training partner is getting the best looks that anyone in the world could give, thus making test of overcoming Cox a bit easier.  It won't be easy, but... definitely a possibility.  

 

I think Hall and Zahid both start to make noise this year at the Senior level, but not enough to break the world.  Dake and Taylor begin their couple year domination series, with Taylor becoming the most successful of the bunch (Hall eventually overtakes Dake, and Zahid never topples Taylor, until Taylor says so).  

 

Ok... I'm probably REALLY wrong... but... worth a try.

 

 

Good post. Interesting picks.

 

Yeah, wonder how J'den's doing? Hope he's close to 100% healthy. Might be a different wrestler up at 92kg?

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57 Gilman over who is wrestling well at the time.

61 Maple the same as above

65 Zain - over Steiber. It won't be close. 

70 Green - I can see people predicting Molinaro but I just don't think it is a good match up for Molinaro.

74 JB over Imar - going out on a limb here LOL

79 Dake over Hall but Hall keeps it close in score but not as close as score (like Dake does)

86 Taylor over Zahid not close

92 J'Den over Heflin. If J'Den not healthy then Heflin over Moore (this year)

97 Snyder of Gadsen..... just a hunch.

Ht Gwiz over Bradley. Out classes field until Stevenson gets out of HS. Gwiz and Stevenson will be a fun few couple of years. Good for Stevenson to have serious domestic competition.

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Couple of problems with the above.

 

Steiber needs to go 61. He is inconsequential at 65

Zahid needs to go 79 (86 is way to big right now!)

Nato will be at 57. Hell, he was there for u23s

Moore will not be a factor at 92

Stevenson will be at Sr this year, mark my words. Not sure if he wins, but it aint gonna be easy for Gwiz.

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Couple of problems with the above.

 

Steiber needs to go 61. He is inconsequential at 65

Zahid needs to go 79 (86 is way to big right now!)

Nato will be at 57. Hell, he was there for u23s

Moore will not be a factor at 92

Stevenson will be at Sr this year, mark my words. Not sure if he wins, but it aint gonna be easy for Gwiz.

Stieber was inconsequential at 61 too. Coming back at 65kg right into the Yarygin is no joke. He did win his first match 13-3 but then ran into Bekbulatov & Co.

 

I don't know for sure but it looked like the cut to 61 was brutal for Logan.

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Stieber was inconsequential at 61 too. Coming back at 65kg right into the Yarygin is no joke. He did win his first match 13-3 but then ran into Bekbulatov & Co.

 

I don't know for sure but it looked like the cut to 61 was brutal for Logan.

Steiber won a World Championship at 61 KG, beating some real hammers.  That is the very embodiment of consequential  Granted, he didn't do well in Paris the next year, though he had a real tough opening match.  

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Steiber won a World Championship at 61 KG, beating some real hammers.  That is the very embodiment of consequential  Granted, he didn't do well in Paris the next year, though he had a real tough opening match.

Yes, I'm well aware of Logan's 2016 World championship run. I picked Logan to torch the field at 61 WTT's and was there matside to witness it. I was also one of the few (on these boards at least) to pick him to win the 2016 World championship.

 

Again, I don't know for sure but looks like Logan has a brutal weight cut to 61. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

I'll repeat myself again. Logan was right there with the best in the world during his 2016 Olympic run at 65kg. He beat some big names that year including 2016 65kg Olympic champ Ramonov. Logan lost in the OTT's semifinal to Molinaro 5-5 in a nailbiter. He was right there.

 

Also why would he make a huge weight cut to stay down at a non Olympic weight at 61kg?

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Ok, didn't mean to hijack the OP with the Stieber stuff. And since some other posters went here and put out some nice picks here are some just for fun:

 

57 ? Lee*

61 ? Fix*

65 Winner of Logan/Zain

70 Green

74 The Champ

79 Kid Dynamite

86 Magicman

92 J'den

97 Captain America

125 Winner of Gwiz/Gable*

 

* for Spencer, Daton and Gable, have no idea of true weight of Daton and no idea what all their coaches want for the upcoming freestyle season. Maybe Jr's again? Maybe Daton stays down at 57? Is he big enough for 61?

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I don’t know what it is now but I remember he was in the low 140s off season about a year ago.

So there you have it. 61kg is way doable. Plus he's probably not getting any smaller.

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So there you have it. 61kg is way doable. Plus he's probably not getting any smaller.

Why would he bump up after wrestling his redshirt year at 125? Makes no sense. 125 is his best weight. That's where he had the most success (junior world gold in dominant fashion, beat Tomasello for the U23 team, etc.) and after getting beat soundly at the U23 Worlds this summer, what makes you think he'll want to bump up to face even bigger guys when he's been cutting to 125 just months before the freestyle season kicks off for our college guys?

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Well it really is way to early, but here goes.

57 Gilman vs Fix, but, the Lee, is out there.

61 Stieber, vs Maple, but with Cory Clark's apparence at the Yarygin, does that signal something? Or Brandon Wright who's number 3 on the ladder at this weight, make it to the finals? It could be that Stieber and Maple both go 65, leaving this weight wide open.

65 Zain vs Stieber, or BJ Futrell, or does a long shot like Joey McKenna or Ryan Deakin get there?

70 Green vs GHulk, looks like the most likely. But Jason Nolf, could very well get there as well. Additionally there's Jordan Oliver, and (1) we don't know if he'll even be allowed to compete, and (2) if allowed, do we know which weight.

74 Burroughs vs Dieringer as the most likely. Maybe IMar.

79 Dake vs Mark Hall, maybe Jon Reader as a dark horse.

86 DT vs Valencia. Maybe Nickel

92 Cox vs Heflin

97 Kyle vs Gadsen, but I could see Gadsen dropping to 92. Ty Waltz could be the outsider looking in though.

Hwt. Gwiz vs Bradley, I have to think that Gable goes Juniors one last time.

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"Walking around weight..." is the most ridiculous metric thrown around in the wrestling community.

 

#1 Wrestlers are notorious liars about this weight. They round up, they use the maximum they have ever seen on a scale, or they just make it up.

#2 Even if accurate, it only is relevant if they give you an accurate body fat percentage at that weight.

 

If Steiber and Fix are serious about the WC's, they will get down to weight.

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"Walking around weight..." is the most ridiculous metric thrown around in the wrestling community.

 

#1 Wrestlers are notorious liars about this weight. They round up, they use the maximum they have ever seen on a scale, or they just make it up.

#2 Even if accurate, it only is relevant if they give you an accurate body fat percentage at that weight.

 

If Steiber and Fix are serious about the WC's, they will get down to weight.

Ching, I disagree. Cutting weight is a huge (and probably the worst part) of the sport.

 

As far as Stieber, I tend to agree with Ogalthorpe. Did Logan peak and reach his prime in 2016? Did the weight cut to 61 drain him physically? Can he bounce back, readjust and compete for the 65 spot again?

 

As for Fix, when was the last time he cut to 125? Again I could be 100% wrong on this one and maybe Daton has every intention of staying down at 57, but if I had to pick my 2018 American World Cup/World Championship team right now, I'd pencil in Spencer at 57 and Daton at 61.

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Why would he bump up after wrestling his redshirt year at 125? Makes no sense. 125 is his best weight. That's where he had the most success (junior world gold in dominant fashion, beat Tomasello for the U23 team, etc.) and after getting beat soundly at the U23 Worlds this summer, what makes you think he'll want to bump up to face even bigger guys when he's been cutting to 125 just months before the freestyle season kicks off for our college guys?

Nerd, it may turn out that you're right here. I have no inside info on Daton's weight or his weight class plans.

 

But when I see a guy like Haji Aliev win at 61, then go down and win at 57, then go back up and win at 61 and even go up to 65 and win, there's no question in my mind that Daton could compete at 61, especially if he truly was walking around at 140's last year. Yes, I know I'm using one of the best p4p in the world in Aliev as an example, but still.

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I have no doubt Fix would be competitive at 61. Even despite the bad U23 result. I’m really not trying to argue with you either. I just don’t see any way Fix sees 61 before he gives 57 seniors a good run first. I can see him deciding to try 61 instead if he can’t make the team at 57, but not before that.

 

Fix’s low 140s wasn’t a lie. I believe he weighed in around that for Beat the Streets, albeit with clothes on.

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