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#21 Ching

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 03:20 AM

"Walking around weight..." is the most ridiculous metric thrown around in the wrestling community.

 

#1 Wrestlers are notorious liars about this weight. They round up, they use the maximum they have ever seen on a scale, or they just make it up.

#2 Even if accurate, it only is relevant if they give you an accurate body fat percentage at that weight.

 

If Steiber and Fix are serious about the WC's, they will get down to weight.


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 06:17 AM

"Walking around weight..." is the most ridiculous metric thrown around in the wrestling community.
 
#1 Wrestlers are notorious liars about this weight. They round up, they use the maximum they have ever seen on a scale, or they just make it up.
#2 Even if accurate, it only is relevant if they give you an accurate body fat percentage at that weight.
 
If Steiber and Fix are serious about the WC's, they will get down to weight.


Ching, I disagree. Cutting weight is a huge (and probably the worst part) of the sport.

As far as Stieber, I tend to agree with Ogalthorpe. Did Logan peak and reach his prime in 2016? Did the weight cut to 61 drain him physically? Can he bounce back, readjust and compete for the 65 spot again?

As for Fix, when was the last time he cut to 125? Again I could be 100% wrong on this one and maybe Daton has every intention of staying down at 57, but if I had to pick my 2018 American World Cup/World Championship team right now, I'd pencil in Spencer at 57 and Daton at 61.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 06:35 AM

Why would he bump up after wrestling his redshirt year at 125? Makes no sense. 125 is his best weight. That's where he had the most success (junior world gold in dominant fashion, beat Tomasello for the U23 team, etc.) and after getting beat soundly at the U23 Worlds this summer, what makes you think he'll want to bump up to face even bigger guys when he's been cutting to 125 just months before the freestyle season kicks off for our college guys?


Nerd, it may turn out that you're right here. I have no inside info on Daton's weight or his weight class plans.

But when I see a guy like Haji Aliev win at 61, then go down and win at 57, then go back up and win at 61 and even go up to 65 and win, there's no question in my mind that Daton could compete at 61, especially if he truly was walking around at 140's last year. Yes, I know I'm using one of the best p4p in the world in Aliev as an example, but still.

#24 wrestlingnerd

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:10 AM

I have no doubt Fix would be competitive at 61. Even despite the bad U23 result. I’m really not trying to argue with you either. I just don’t see any way Fix sees 61 before he gives 57 seniors a good run first. I can see him deciding to try 61 instead if he can’t make the team at 57, but not before that.

Fix’s low 140s wasn’t a lie. I believe he weighed in around that for Beat the Streets, albeit with clothes on.

Edited by wrestlingnerd, 04 February 2018 - 11:55 AM.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:28 AM

got to put Cassar in as a possible threat at 92 kg


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:22 AM

Where the H-E-Double Hockey sticks is this Dayton at 61 convo coming from?? He has freaking wrestling 125 THIS SEASON! Making scratch 125.

 

We've got a world silver medalist and a world gold medalist at 57 and 61kg right now. Those two individuals will have to be dealt with before anyone takes those spots.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 06:15 AM

Still predicting Moore over Cox, treep?

 

He has the skill set... but probably not... sad day in "treepland". 



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 06:43 AM

57 Gilman over Terao
61 Garrett over Ramos
65 Steiber over Maple
70 Green over Molinaro
74 Burroughs over IMart
79 Dake over Hall
86 Taylor over Dean
92 Heflin over Cox
97 Snyder over Burak
125 Gwiz over Bradley

EDIT: If Jordan Oliver is somehow allowed to compete for a world team spot, I think he'll be our rep.

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#29 Coach_J

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 06:53 AM

Personal opinion, but I think Fix is too short to take on the biggest and best at 61 right now.  When he gets to a point he is dominating 57 on a regular basis, both internationally and nationally, we can talk about 61.  He's not there yet.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 07:01 AM

fix hasnt grown in 5 years... in HS he was walking around low 40s... if i had to guess based on looks, he is staying closer to weight now... he looks leaner in the face...

 

he is a career 57...



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:23 AM

I wish Cox would go 86


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Posted 24 February 2018 - 06:35 AM

Well now that the Cerro Pelado has been completed, and the Ukrainian tourney is still being contested, we see that Hayden Zillmer has come away with the Gold, beating Ty Waltz twice. However, Waltz picked up a very impressive win over a highly decorated Cuban wrestler in Salas. The Bad news though, is that Nick Heflin unfortunately picked up what appears to be a significant knee injury against his German opponent. Obviously this could impact things for Nick. Before this, I figured that he and Cox would be the front runners at 92. Hopefully the injury is not too serious and Nick can return to action soon.
At 61, Cody Brewer came away with a Silver and was able to put a fair amount of points on the board against a very tough Cuban in Bonne Rodriguez. So now I'm starting to think that maybe Cody will be a factor at 61. I haven't seen the results of the Ukrainian 61 bracket yet, so something might be going on over there that may have some bearing on things for us. But might point is that at 61, we may see two guys in there battling it out for the spot that some of us may have not really thought that much about.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 05:09 AM

In Ukraine, Colon got 3rd and Garrett got 5th at 61.

 

If Maple goes at 61, I think he'd be the favorite.  If he doesn't, it seems pretty wide open. Don't forget about Graff either... his training scenario is much better than in past years and he has previously beaten many of the others I'd expect to see at that weight.  


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 07:24 AM

Well no doubt that Tyler Graff is great and a force to be reckoned with, but to me he seems like he's almost a tweener, caught between two weight classes. idk if he can cut the weight to 57, and deal with Gilman, Fix, Lee, and a whole host other others that will show up at this weight. At 61, idk if he can deal with the likes of some of these other guys like a Maple, or a Stieber. To me, Maple looks gargantuan at 61, also I may take some heat for this, but to me, Tyler isn't as consistent as some other wrestlers. Last year he went down and tore through everyone at the Pan Am's but then at the WTT's he seemed like a different wrestler. Maybe it was the competition at the Pan Am's, a style match up, perhaps he missed his peak for the WTT's, idk. Tyler does do well though internationally, I'm not exactly sure how many overseas medals he has, but I know he has a few of them. I think we may get a peak at things to come at the Open.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 10:14 AM

I take it as a given Steiber is going up to 65, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

 

Graff beat guys like Brewer and Kindig at 61, so I would tend to think he could do it again. Also, he did great last year until a very disappointing 1-1 loss to Gilman.  Of course, since Gilman went on to dominate Ramos and win world silver, maybe what looked like a bad loss at the time (1 seeds shouldn't lose to 8 seeds!) really wasn't so bad after all. 


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#36 pamela

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 04:14 PM

I haven't seen Dieringer's matches from Ukraine but saw the results. Does anyone think he could possibly get by Dake at trials?

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 05:12 PM

Hard to say, Kyle went to the Yarygin and faced off with some very tough guys, and managed a Silver medal. I don't know the caliber of the guys Alex faced at the Ukrainian Memorial except for Hasanov, who is an Olympic Bronze medalist, ( at a lower weight ). Additionally, I don't recall Alex beating Kyle at any tourneys yet, so I have to believe it's still advantage Dake.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 05:18 PM

Dake is a bad matchup for Dieringer. He can be upset, but I can't think of anything Ringer can do better than Dake. Maybe being physically bigger, but that's about it. Ringer is good enough to get a TD towards the end if Dake plays it too close. He has a shot. I wouldn't bet on it though.



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Posted 27 February 2018 - 09:25 AM

Dake is a bad matchup for Dieringer. He can be upset, but I can't think of anything Ringer can do better than Dake. Maybe being physically bigger, but that's about it. Ringer is good enough to get a TD towards the end if Dake plays it too close. He has a shot. I wouldn't bet on it though.

 

In a tight, low scoring defensive struggle where no one can get to the other's legs  (which is what the last 2 Dierenger/Dake matchups have been), isn't being bigger and stronger pretty huge advantage?  Seems like Alex has improved more than Dake in the last year and they weren't that far apart before, so I definitely think Alex has a great shot in this one.



#40 wrestlingnerd

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 11:02 AM

I wouldn't call his shot great. Wrestling Dake close isn't exactly a feather in your cap. Lots have done it. Has Ringer ever scored an offensive point on Dake? I can't remember, but if he has it might've been once. I don't know if Ringer has improved that much--he may have. He was already damn good and had a win over an Olympic medalist before his last outing, so what he did doesn't surprise me at all (impressive nonetheless, as Ringer always is).

 

Also, the last time they met, I felt Dake was conserving energy for JB. Similar to how he won  his NCAA semis 1-0 before taking his 4th title. He has been known to do that. The match prior to that, Dake teched and blanked Ringer.

 

Again, he has a shot, and I love watching Ringer wrestle. I generally root for him. But I think Dake is a bad matchup for him. As he proved against the field at 86 kg, giving up weight affects Dake less than it would most guys because he can score from space and has such great scrambling skills and shiftiness.






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