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To be fair, Marinelli got the win, period.  That said, he was taken down twice, definitively, and were it not for an attempted big move by Joseph, he loses.  Great match and looking forward to the reprise.  Whoever shows up in March wins 165.

Wrong.

Marinelli's move.  Joseph tried defending it with an inside trip... Not sure how he expected to gain advantage off that.  

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Marinelli would also have one loss, much better wins, and a win over the guy who beat IMar.  There is no objective way to put IMar above him in that scenario.

 

...And just to add, I love IMar and hope he wins the whole thing.  

 

I agree it'd be unfortunate for the Bull.

 

Last year's NCAA seeding criteria:

Head-to-Head 25%
Quality Wins 20%
Common opponents 10%
RPI 10%
Qualifying placement 10%
Coaches Rank 10%
Win % 10%
Number of matches 5%
 
If Joseph beats both Imart and Bull and wins B1G, he will be the clear 2. He'd have one avenged loss, and he'd have the highest qualifiying placement and coaches' rank out of the B1G.
 
If Bull is the 1 seed at B1G (I think he should be with his win over Joseph), then for Joseph to win it, he'll have beaten Imart in the semis and Marinelli in the finals. Then...
 
Joseph vs. Bull:
Head to head: Bull = Joseph
B1G placement: Joseph > Bull
Coaches Rank: Joseph > Bull
Everything else is a wash give or take so Joseph > Bull.
 
Imart vs Bull:
Head to head: N/A
B1G placement: Bull > Imart
Coaches Rank: Imart > Bull (coaches care Imart is a 2x senior champ and 3x finalist vs. freshman Bull. They will also remember Bull didn't wrestle against Imart at the dual, whether for legit reasons or not)
Common opponents: Bull > Imart (Joseph win for Bull versus Joseph loss for Imart)
Number of matches: Bull > Imart (but only 5% factor)
Therefore, Bull > Imart
 
Now if Imart wins B1G things get interesting. Haven't thought that one out yet.
 
I see Marinelli seeded above Imart in either scenario. And I truly have no dog in this one.

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But Imar would likely have outplaced Marinelli at big 10s (he should be the 1 seed), and would only have the 1 loss.

 

I think Marinelli has a clear case for the 1 too. He did beat the man who beat the man and is also undefeated,  has a better body of work, and a MUCH better nickname.

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The “era” threads are an unfortunate right of passage.

 

Ok trivia question.....who graced us with the first "era" post, and who was it in regard to? If you know the answer to this then you know you're one of the originals.

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If Bull is the 1 seed at B1G (I think he should be with his win over Joseph), then for Joseph to win it, he'll have beaten Imart in the semis and Marinelli in the finals. Then...
 
 

 

 

 Don't think that'll happen.  The Big 10 doesn't use NCAA criteria, its based more on big 10 and likely considers who won the tourney last year (NCAA doesn't do that).  iMart wrestled the full B10 schedule including against Iowa (Marinelli didn't wrestle in that one).  Thus don't see how Marinelli could be seeded ahead with an unbeaten iMart.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Joseph is pushing for a major next time.

 

But...I would equally not be surprised if the bull closes the gap and flat out beats him.

 

It's going to be fun and we should get two more years of it.

 

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I can't imagine any other team that takes losses with guys comfortably ahead late in matches.  Credit to PSU for having their guys continue to push because it's good for the sport but I doubt Joseph will take a risk like that in a tournament when it could get him knocked out.  

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I can't imagine any other team that takes losses with guys comfortably ahead late in matches. Credit to PSU for having their guys continue to push because it's good for the sport but I doubt Joseph will take a risk like that in a tournament when it could get him knocked out.

You can't imagine it because you started following the sport two years ago and only watch PSU matches.

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Mocco reference.

 

I can see where you would think that because the originator of the post was a huge Mocco hater (and certainly had a Mocco "era" post or two in his day) but no, Mocco was not the reference of the first "Era" posts.   Hint:  It referenced a 133 lb. wrestler....

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Ok trivia question.....who graced us with the first "era" post, and who was it in regard to? If you know the answer to this then you know you're one of the originals.

hmmmm.....Was the original "era" post made by JTTS, or BIG?  Maybe about Johnny Thompson, Travis Lee, or some other 133 during that same "era"?  I know it goes back at least 10 years, when Kellen Russell was a freshman, but he was at 141. 

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To be fair, Marinelli got the win, period.  That said, he was taken down twice, definitively, and were it not for an attempted big move by Joseph, he loses.  Great match and looking forward to the reprise.  Whoever shows up in March wins 165.

Usually when people say "period", it means they're not adding on any qualifiers.

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What's interesting is some want to eliminate Marinelli's points because they came off of a Joseph inside trip attempt.  But none of those same people want to eliminate Joseph's 2nd TD off an inside trip attempt.  The bottom line is that if Joseph comes out and doesn't use his best move/finish in the next match because he is playing it safe, then that would be better for Marinelli than if Joseph did use it.  

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hmmmm.....Was the original "era" post made by JTTS, or BIG?  Maybe about Johnny Thompson, Travis Lee, or some other 133 during that same "era"?  I know it goes back at least 10 years, when Kellen Russell was a freshman, but he was at 141. 

 

Yep, it was JTTS- who was sort of a celebrity (and/or infamous depending on your take) back in the day.  Johnny Thompson was the returning national runner-up and odds on favorite with Eric Juergens graduating.  Cliff Moore smoked him in an early dual, leading Hawk fans to hype him as the next big thing.  Literally the next dual out Moore gets beat by an unheralded wrestler (not sure who) causing JTTS (who hated Iowa) to post "I really enjoyed the Cliff Moore Era". 

 

It's sort of amazing that the "era" posts have stuck around for 15 years....

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Oh, the memories...

 

Here's a classic post by JTTS I searched for and found...written after the 2002 NCAA's:

“THE IOWA FAN”

Sung to the tune of "The Piano Man" by Billy Joel

 

It’s 9 o’clock on a Saturday
We’re live in upstate New York
Iowa’s in 4th place and falling
Time to stick them with a fork

 

Look over there, it's Mike Zadick
I’ve heard he's never merciful
Just went to his back seven times
Against the dreaded Jake Percival

 

So sing us a song, you’re the Iowa fan
It’s hard for you to be merry
No one thinks the Fulsaas twins
Are the next coming of Tom and Terry

 

Jessman Smith is a friend of mine
Just got stuck by Rob Rohn
He’s sitting next to Mocco
Who’s eating a taco
While his dad scoops him an ice cream cone

 

No Hawk All American at 174
You have the overrated Tyler
Trey Clark beat Cael?
He’d probably get stuck by Cyler.

 

So sing us a song, you’re the Iowa fan
This pain, how do we dull it?
Let’s remember Royce Alger
And that other guy with the mullet

 

And Moore is practicing bridging
He always goes to his back
Opposing wrestlers are now excited
To wrestle the gold and black

 

Got nothing from 157 or 165
No AA status for Luke
I just saw old Dan Gable
Looks like he’s going to puke

 

During the awards ceremony
Our guys are in street clothes and loafers
You can’t win it every year
Unless you’re the Golden Gophers

 

So sing us a song, you’re the Iowa fan
Better you then me
If you think this year was rough
Wait until 2003!

 

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Another JTTS Classic:

Iowa City, Iowa (AP)- A local cashier is in critical, but stable condition after a vicious assault at the Iowa City McDonalds. The cashier, Rose Wells, suffered a broken shin as a result of a dispute that arose over a customer's order.

 

"A bunch of kids came in," said Mrs. Wells, "they seemed nice enough. The first few just ordered waters and salads with no dressing." Trouble began when the largest and oldest member of the gang, who patrons described as looking like "Barney Rubble, but fatter" tried to place his order.

 

Joe Wells, the victim's husband, who along with being the town postmaster and dentist also manages the McDonalds, witnessed the event. "The guy asked for nine Big-N-Tasty's. Rose thought it was a joke at first. I mean, NINE? But he appeared dead serious, Mr. Wells began. "The rule is you can only order three items off of the Mickey D's Value Menu. But when my cousin, excuse me, I mean my wife told him this, he got all upset."

 

"He said something about them not having that rule at the Hackensack McDonalds. When my cousin told him that the rules weren't flexible, he really lost it."

 

According to witnesses, the belligerent patron began to kick Mrs. Wells in the leg. Iowa City Deputy Mayor, Tom Leary, was working at the McDonalds as a janitor. "The tubby guy went nuts! Leary said, "He kept kicking at her foot and shin. Rose was shocked, she wuz just standin' there. All this over a bunch of Big-N-Tasty's!"

 

When Mrs. Wells didn't fall from the attack, the attacker's friends began yelling at her. There were taunts that Mrs. Wells was "fleeing the mat" and "running around." One member of the gang was overheard commenting that "McDonalds teaches their employees to stall. They think it's their only chance. You can tell the cashiers wanted the coin flip."

 

The youths fled the restaurant before police arrived. Authorities are on the look-out for a man in his mid-30's. He was described as being "well past college age." The suspect stands approximately 5 foot 10 and was estimated at weighing 300 pounds. He is considered armed and hungry.

 

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What's interesting is some want to eliminate Marinelli's points because they came off of a Joseph inside trip attempt.  But none of those same people want to eliminate Joseph's 2nd TD off an inside trip attempt.  The bottom line is that if Joseph comes out and doesn't use his best move/finish in the next match because he is playing it safe, then that would be better for Marinelli than if Joseph did use it.  

Inside trip is used too loosely.  It isn't remotely the ONLY part of the move.  His first "inside trip" takedown was off a tight over under where he had full leverage over Marinelli.  The attempt that put him on his back was a very loose double over where Marinelli already essentially had a bear hug(hands locked firmly around the waist).  One was chain wrestled the other was beyond ill-advised.

 

Now, I get that his inside trip is a trademark, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't know when, and when not, to pull the trigger.

Edited by MSU158

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