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#41 southend

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:37 PM

Seriously, backend?

 

Marinelli



#42 Joe24

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:41 PM

Marinelli

 

That's your man?  Do you like non gentle?



#43 LLB

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:47 PM

LLB. I don't think I was talking to you. You are dismissed from this discussion. You will be allowed to comment when you have a non derogatory statement to make.


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#44 Zebra

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:57 PM

Someone’s butthurt about cenzo losing to lunch pail....

I still think his nom de plume should be MPB (male pattern baldness) 



#45 HokieFan

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 12:28 AM

Say Joseph comes back and wins Big 10s, beating Marinelli and Imar in the process. How do you seed 165 assuming an undefeated Mcafadden?

#46 TBar1977

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 12:57 AM

1. McFadden
2. Joseph
3. I Mar
4. Marinelli

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#47 BigTimeFan

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:10 AM

Reminds me a little of Bo Nickal losing to both MyMar and Nate Jackson. Maybe in Joseph’s case it’s aboit bald opponents.

#48 boconnell

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:46 AM

1. McFadden
2. Joseph
3. I Mar
4. Marinelli

Since prior accomplishments don't matter I think it would go 

 

1. McFadden

2. Joseph

3. Marinelli

4. IMar

 

Marinelli and IMar would have lost to the same guy, but Marinelli would have split with him.  Plus IMar hasn't wrestled many matches or any real opponent all year.



#49 Crotalus

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:59 AM

Since prior accomplishments don't matter I think it would go

1. McFadden
2. Joseph
3. Marinelli
4. IMar

Marinelli and IMar would have lost to the same guy, but Marinelli would have split with him. Plus IMar hasn't wrestled many matches or any real opponent all year.

But Imar would likely have outplaced Marinelli at big 10s (he should be the 1 seed), and would only have the 1 loss.

#50 boconnell

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 02:03 AM

But Imar would likely have outplaced Marinelli at big 10s (he should be the 1 seed), and would only have the 1 loss.

Marinelli would also have one loss, much better wins, and a win over the guy who beat IMar.  There is no objective way to put IMar above him in that scenario.

 

...And just to add, I love IMar and hope he wins the whole thing.  


Edited by boconnell, 11 February 2018 - 02:04 AM.


#51 tbert

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 02:33 AM

I still think Joseph beats Marinelli 8 out of 10 times.


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Not if he keeps trying an inside trip to defend a tight body lock.


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#52 tbert

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 02:39 AM

To be fair, Marinelli got the win, period.  That said, he was taken down twice, definitively, and were it not for an attempted big move by Joseph, he loses.  Great match and looking forward to the reprise.  Whoever shows up in March wins 165.

Wrong.

Marinelli's move.  Joseph tried defending it with an inside trip... Not sure how he expected to gain advantage off that.  


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#53 WildTurkey44

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 03:35 AM

Nice win Alex! So strong for a freshman!

#54 wrestlingnerd

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:32 AM

Marinelli would also have one loss, much better wins, and a win over the guy who beat IMar.  There is no objective way to put IMar above him in that scenario.

 

...And just to add, I love IMar and hope he wins the whole thing.  

 

I agree it'd be unfortunate for the Bull.

 

Last year's NCAA seeding criteria:

Head-to-Head 25%
Quality Wins 20%
Common opponents 10%
RPI 10%
Qualifying placement 10%
Coaches Rank 10%
Win % 10%
Number of matches 5%
 
If Joseph beats both Imart and Bull and wins B1G, he will be the clear 2. He'd have one avenged loss, and he'd have the highest qualifiying placement and coaches' rank out of the B1G.
 
If Bull is the 1 seed at B1G (I think he should be with his win over Joseph), then for Joseph to win it, he'll have beaten Imart in the semis and Marinelli in the finals. Then...
 
Joseph vs. Bull:
Head to head: Bull = Joseph
B1G placement: Joseph > Bull
Coaches Rank: Joseph > Bull
Everything else is a wash give or take so Joseph > Bull.
 
Imart vs Bull:
Head to head: N/A
B1G placement: Bull > Imart
Coaches Rank: Imart > Bull (coaches care Imart is a 2x senior champ and 3x finalist vs. freshman Bull. They will also remember Bull didn't wrestle against Imart at the dual, whether for legit reasons or not)
Common opponents: Bull > Imart (Joseph win for Bull versus Joseph loss for Imart)
Number of matches: Bull > Imart (but only 5% factor)
Therefore, Bull > Imart
 
Now if Imart wins B1G things get interesting. Haven't thought that one out yet.
 
I see Marinelli seeded above Imart in either scenario. And I truly have no dog in this one.


#55 wrestlingnerd

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:40 AM

But Imar would likely have outplaced Marinelli at big 10s (he should be the 1 seed), and would only have the 1 loss.

 

I think Marinelli has a clear case for the 1 too. He did beat the man who beat the man and is also undefeated,  has a better body of work, and a MUCH better nickname.



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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:42 AM

The “era” threads are an unfortunate right of passage.

 

Ok trivia question.....who graced us with the first "era" post, and who was it in regard to? If you know the answer to this then you know you're one of the originals.



#57 madcat11

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:55 AM

Ok trivia question.....who graced us with the first "era" post, and who was it in regard to? If you know the answer to this then you know you're one of the originals.

Mocco reference.
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#58 TobusRex

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:00 AM

Kudos to Marinelli, but he can't hope for Joseph to get stupidly over aggressive every time. I predict Joseph by 3-5 the next time they wrestle.



#59 ionel

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:23 AM

 

 

 
If Bull is the 1 seed at B1G (I think he should be with his win over Joseph), then for Joseph to win it, he'll have beaten Imart in the semis and Marinelli in the finals. Then...
 
 

 

 

 Don't think that'll happen.  The Big 10 doesn't use NCAA criteria, its based more on big 10 and likely considers who won the tourney last year (NCAA doesn't do that).  iMart wrestled the full B10 schedule including against Iowa (Marinelli didn't wrestle in that one).  Thus don't see how Marinelli could be seeded ahead with an unbeaten iMart.



#60 repechange

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:40 AM

The Joseph era isn't over, it's a single loss that brought him down to Earth. Lots of wrestling still left to go.




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