I really enjoyed the Big Ten tournament era...

[superbowlhomeboy 235]

Now that you can injury default out, place low, and still get a high seed at NCAA’s, why would anyone even compete? Too much gaming the system. Hope the seeding committee recognizes this and puts an end to it.

[dtl38 79]

I agree. Of course some of these guys are legitimately hurt, there has to be a way to use these MFF as a way to hurt the seeds at Nationals

[pamela 1,334]

It sounded like a bunch of people from this board made the trip out to the B1G tourney. How pissed must they be with all these MFFs? Kinda cheapens the conference tournament down to "duals don't matter" level.

[TBar1977 3,750]

Now that you can injury default out, place low, and still get a high seed at NCAA’s, why would anyone even compete? Too much gaming the system. Hope the seeding committee recognizes this and puts an end to it.

 

 

I said it before and I will say it again, I hope they punish Nolf and put him low enough to draw Micah in the quarters. Drop Suriano too, far enough he can face Tomasello in the quarters. 

[squeek 67]

I said it before and I will say it again, I hope they punish Nolf and put him low enough to draw Micah in the quarters. Drop Suriano too, far enough he can face Tomasello in the quarters.

Directionally I agree that those who MFF should have repercussions.

I don't agree that the seeding committee should be looking for punitive match-ups to drive home an agenda.

 

I would prefer that the seeding committee error on the side of under seeding rather than giving a competitor the benefit of the doubt when it comes to medical/healthy recovery.

 

Guys like Suriano, Nolf, Kemerer should be looking at something like 6 - 9 seeds. Deakin maybe 12 - 16.

 

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[TBar1977 3,750]

Directionally I agree that those who MFF should have repercussions.

I don't agree that the seeding committee should be looking for punitive match-ups to drive home an agenda.

 

I would prefer that the seeding committee error on the side of under seeding rather than giving a competitor the benefit of the doubt when it comes to medical/healthy recovery.

 

Guys like Suriano, Nolf, Kemerer should be looking at something like 6 - 9 seeds. Deakin maybe 12 - 16.

 

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No, don't make the seeding decision public record, don't publicly acknowledge anything. Just make it happen. Trust me, it would cause a big stir. Good for ratings. Lol. 

[paboom 204]

Now that you can injury default out, place low, and still get a high seed at NCAA’s, why would anyone even compete? Too much gaming the system. Hope the seeding committee recognizes this and puts an end to it.

Agreed

 

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[GuillermoBilletas 149]

Shooting ourselves in the foot.  We can't bring on new fans and then we screw the fans that show up

[jchapman 1,070]

Yeah this tournament is a joke. Only 8 national champs are wrestling in the finals.

[xander 346]

Yeah this tournament is a joke. Only 8 national champs are wrestling in the finals.

. Yes. I agree. Total joke

[superbowlhomeboy 235]

Yeah this tournament is a joke. Only 8 national champs are wrestling in the finals.

You’re missing the point. The integrity of the tournament has been compromised.

[jchapman 1,070]

You’re missing the point. The integrity of the tournament has been compromised.

Yes, no integrity, understood. Guys at qualifying who shouldn't... oops!

[superbowlhomeboy 235]

I don’t think the seeding committee should “punish” them, but I think if you default to 6th, you should be seeded like someone who placed 6th.

[WillieBoy 713]

I said it before and I will say it again, I hope they punish Nolf and put him low enough to draw Micah in the quarters. Drop Suriano too, far enough he can face Tomasello in the quarters. 

Those who use a Medical Forfeit rather than start and actually get injured and lose that way put as the Pigtail Match at the Big Dance? Or if both Medical Forfeit - have to face each other the first match?

 

Wrestlers get injured. Coaches let them qualify and then protect them from further injury this way. It is within the rules and unless they are changed it will be used.

[OkieChippewa 32]

Here is one thing the NCAA Wrestling Committee needs to do.  

 

If a wrestler who AQ'd for a league medically forfeits out of a conference tourney,  that AQ should be also be forfeited.  It doesn't mean the league won't earn an at-large.  But it also means the league isn't automatically GIFTED an AQ, when a wrestler from another league may be more deserving.

[stp 542]

Now that you can injury default out, place low, and still get a high seed at NCAA’s, why would anyone even compete? Too much gaming the system. Hope the seeding committee recognizes this and puts an end to it.

What do you recommend?

[stp 542]

You’re missing the point. The integrity of the tournament has been compromised.

You're insane.  

[superbowlhomeboy 235]

What do you recommend?

“I think if you default to 6th, you should be seeded like someone who placed 6th.”Not like someone that could have won had you attempted to. Reward the guys who are competing and winning.

Edited March 4, 2018 by superbowlhomeboy

[BigTenFanboy 1,710]

“I think if you default to 6th, you should be seeded like someone who placed 6th.”Not like someone that could have won had you attempted to. Reward the guys who are competing and winning.

The problem with that is you now punish the higher seeded wrestler by having to hit them in an earlier round. Would you like to be the one seed in a tournamnet where Nolf is seeded 32nd?

[Idaho 752]

The problem with that is you now punish the higher seeded wrestler by having to hit them in an earlier round. Would you like to be the one seed in a tournamnet where Nolf is seeded 32nd?

 

 

I would prefer that if you MFF to someone it counts as a legitimate loss to them. So Suriano would have losses to Lizak, Welch, Rivera and seeded accordingly. It would not give him a 32nd seed but it would drop it and potentially to a quarterfinal matchup with someone who would rather not see them as a high seed. 

[BigTenFanboy 1,710]

I would prefer that if you MFF to someone it counts as a legitimate loss to them. So Suriano would have losses to Lizak, Welch, Rivera and seeded accordingly. It would not give him a 32nd seed but it would drop it and potentially to a quarterfinal matchup with someone who would rather not see them as a high seed.

So let's say now we seed Suriano as the 8th seed. He would run into Cruz at the quarters thus punishing Cruz.

[WrestlingFan89 246]

So let's say now we seed Suriano as the 8th seed. He would run into Cruz at the quarters thus punishing Cruz.

So instead seed him ahead of Lizak who didn’t have the opportunity to beat him?

[pamela 1,334]

How many injury defaults did the other conference tournaments have?

[Aviator12 196]

Uh ya as a Penn State fan of course you do lol.

 

I said it before and I will say it again, I hope they punish Nolf and put him low enough to draw Micah in the quarters. Drop Suriano too, far enough he can face Tomasello in the quarters.

[Aviator12 196]

So let's say now we seed Suriano as the 8th seed. He would run into Cruz at the quarters thus punishing Cruz.

EXACTLY!! Your not punishing the injury default guys more than you are the higher seed guys giving them tough quarters. The TBar example is fools gold. As a Penn State fan of course you’d sacrifice Nolf having to wrestle Micah if that precedent gets you to have Suriano face Tomasello in the quarters! You take that all day long.