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#1 BigTimeFan

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 06:40 AM

I’m surprised that for example Flo is picking him to win it all at 125. From what I gather he’s been seriously compromised and didn’t train very much toward the end of the season and competed even less. Given the intense competition at 125 and the grueling reality of NCAAs I for one don’t see him making it very far. What’s the counter argument ?

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 06:45 AM

The counter argument is the Lamborghini. J/k. 


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 06:51 AM

It's a hard weight class, but he has 1 career loss and Majored the 1 seed and returning champion last year.  With a bad knee he still majored in the quarterfinals. 

 

He will have to beat only Lee or Tomasello.  And both of them decided not to wrestle him during the season


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 06:54 AM

He's the sentimental favorite.  I'm picking him, too.



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:04 AM

I think he gets upset in the first 2 rounds. The injury will be too much.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:08 AM

I wonder if Spencer would have won at Super 32s in 8th grade, would it change many people's feelings? Silly hypothetical I know, but I think it would. I'm not lost on the fact that Spencer lost to Bresser and suriano has no similar loss.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:13 AM

I wonder if Spencer would have won at Super 32s in 8th grade, would it change many people's feelings? Silly hypothetical I know, but I think it would. I'm not lost on the fact that Spencer lost to Bresser and suriano has no similar loss.

 

 

I will give you my stab at a good argument for Nick Suriano. Nick is better than Spencer on his feet, and probably better on bottom as well. They are equal riders, and Spencer is better at actually turning from top. How do you weight this? If you think Nick can take Spencer down, but Spencer can't take Suriano down, then you pick Suriano. 


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#8 lu_alum

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:20 AM

It's a hard weight class, but he has 1 career loss and Majored the 1 seed and returning champion last year. With a bad knee he still majored in the quarterfinals.

He will have to beat only Lee or Tomasello. And both of them decided not to wrestle him during the season

Did not MAJ the #1 seed. He has 3 career losses. And he has 4 MED FFTs in six assigned B1G pairings.

I’ll take a healthy Cruz over a busted Sorryano any day.

 

EDIT:  Just realized this was my 5,000th post. Managed to call ScarletKnight out for his fake news, and give a legitimate reason for Cruz to win - although I believe Cruz would beat him without the injury.  Not a bad post at that.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:24 AM

Did not MAJ the #1 seed.

I’ll take a healthy Cruz over a busted Sorryano any day.


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He only beat Cruz 7-0. A healthy NS beats Cruz every time.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:37 AM

I will give you my stab at a good argument for Nick Suriano. Nick is better than Spencer on his feet, and probably better on bottom as well. They are equal riders, and Spencer is better at actually turning from top. How do you weight this? If you think Nick can take Spencer down, but Spencer can't take Suriano down, then you pick Suriano.

2 assumptions are made here.1. That they are equally as tough on top and 2. suriano is better on his feet. I don't know how you get to that conclusion. This year when they wrestled Bresser, neither one got a takedown. Against NATO Lee didn't get a takedown, but Suriano has never wrestled him. Really he has only wrestled 1 other guy on Natos level and that's gilman, but Suriano didn't take him down either.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:57 AM

2 assumptions are made here.1. That they are equally as tough on top and 2. suriano is better on his feet. I don't know how you get to that conclusion. This year when they wrestled Bresser, neither one got a takedown. Against NATO Lee didn't get a takedown, but Suriano has never wrestled him. Really he has only wrestled 1 other guy on Natos level and that's gilman, but Suriano didn't take him down either.

 

 

I gave a reason why some random fan might take Suriano. 


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:58 AM

Re Lee: Isn't it surprising that a world freestyle champ has had several matches where he did not get a single takedown?



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:01 AM

I gave a reason why some random fan might take Suriano.

And I was just trying to start some debate sir. Honestly, suriano has shown very few weaknesses, I can see people picking him at this point.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:04 AM

The counter argument is his match vs piotrowski at big tens. Looked good to me. Two more weeks to heal up and train can only help.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:05 AM

I’m surprised that for example Flo is picking him to win it all at 125. From what I gather he’s been seriously compromised and didn’t train very much toward the end of the season and competed even less. Given the intense competition at 125 and the grueling reality of NCAAs I for one don’t see him making it very far. What’s the counter argument ?

 

Suriano has beaten everyone in front of him this year, except he hasn't had much competition. He's beaten Rivera (7-6, 4-1) and Bresser (2-1), all close matches. Tomasello ducked him, then he ducked the tougher part of the Big Ten. I think everyone is looking at last year's resume to predict this year.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 09:15 AM

Word is out of Happy Valley is he has mono and no real injury.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 09:43 AM

I will give you my stab at a good argument for Nick Suriano. Nick is better than Spencer on his feet, and probably better on bottom as well. They are equal riders, and Spencer is better at actually turning from top. How do you weight this? If you think Nick can take Spencer down, but Spencer can't take Suriano down, then you pick Suriano. 

Two important words you left out -

 

when healthy


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:31 AM

Last season, Lizak beat Cruz at the Scuffle worse than Suriano did in the dual.

 

Cruz (apparently) had an epiphany after that Lizak match and he then beat the guy that beat the guy...

 

Suriano deserves the 1 and can definitely win it, but so can 3 other guys.


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I like NIke but wait a minute, the sport supports so put some money in it


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:20 AM

Did not MAJ the #1 seed. He has 3 career losses. And he has 4 MED FFTs in six assigned B1G pairings.

I’ll take a healthy Cruz over a busted Sorryano any day.


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No?  I thought it was 1 escape, 2 takedown, 4 backpoints and 1 riding time point?



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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:25 AM

I think he gets upset in the first 2 rounds. The injury will be too much.

 

I guess if he's hopping around on 1 leg like he did against Picinnini he could lose but .....

 

If you think Moisey could be the one to stop him, Moisey better worry about his first match or he won't even get his shot.  Has he done anything impressive since his trip to the NCAA Finals?

 

Fausz would seem to be more of a challenge.  






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