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Guy's closer to being 20

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"October 14th, 1998"

 

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Most people turn 19 either during their freshman year or in the summer after it.  If he's 19 now that means he didn't do a middle school redshirt or anything like that, he's really a true freshman. 

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They announced last night that this is the first year since 1947 that there were two True Frosh champs. How old do you think the typical True Frosh was in 1947? (think carefully before you answer)

 

 

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They announced last night that this is the first year since 1947 that there were two True Frosh champs. How old do you think the typical True Frosh was in 1947? (think carefully before you answer)

 

 

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Nice book on this subject

https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Team-1947-Arno-Niemand-ebook/dp/B00BU97O2M

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They announced last night that this is the first year since 1947 that there were two True Frosh champs. How old do you think the typical True Frosh was in 1947? (think carefully before you answer)

 

 

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Probably at least twenty three. We were talking about that last night. No events forty three through forty five but the guys likely didn't get out of the service and back on the mats for another year.

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Probably at least twenty three. We were talking about that last night. No events forty three through forty five but the guys likely didn't get out of the service and back on the mats for another year.

 

Not quite what you're aiming here for , but Hall of Fame citation, David 'Buddy' Arndt: 'became the only wrestler to win National Collegiate championships on both sides of World War II.'  Champ in 1940, 1941, 1946.  In the gap, flew over 100 combat missions as a P-38 fighter pilot, was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross with four clusters and six Bronze Battle Stars.  I'm guessing he wouldn't consider going for his third title the most pressure he ever felt.

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True freshman are what ever age they are when ever they attend a university full time for the first time

 

I don't think there's been a new thread on this topic for at least six months, it's overdue.  The adjustment to being away from home, no one standing over you to make you do your homework, resist all the new temptations, it's a big adjustment at whatever age it happens.  Better to wait a year or two if you're not ready than to show up, fail out, rack up loans for nothing and have to dig out of a hole.

 

Having said that, it seems more appropriate to look at the age of an athlete rather than their academic year.  Somewhere on this board, an old thread listed the guys who won DI titles while still in their teens.  That is impressive, given the huge leaps in physical abilities, personal maturity, etc. guys go through in that time frame - some just advance a lot faster.  On that theme, if you can handle a football reference, look up Amobi Okoye.  He moved to the U.S. from Nigeria at 12 years old, skipped middle school entirely and went right to h.s.  Played DI all four years at Louisville (graduated in 3.5 years), first round draft pick at age 19, played all 16 games his rookie year in the NFL as a 20-year old defensive tackle.  Given the violent world of an NFL lineman, this is impressive.  In fact, I'm tempted to question his birthdate, but the NFL seems to have vetted that and considered his info legit.

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Too much is made "age" of college true freshman. This isn't 1947 and the sport has evolved exponentially, much more difficult to attain elite success today than it was 25-35 years ago. Now almost EVERY elite competitor starts at about 5-7 years old, the talent pool is greater/larger in every weight class. Which makes it much harder to distance yourself from the competition. Experience is a greater factor than age, also not everyone matures physically at the same age, some 18 year old's are more mature than some 20 years old. If age was such a great factor we wouldn't see so much success lately of 19 year old's beating 23 year old studs. If you want to argue 6 months is a big advantage...8 months and 3 days? ..1 year and 4 days? You'd never have any freshman beating a senior. 

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Too much is made "age" of college true freshman. This isn't 1947 and the sport has evolved exponentially, much more difficult to attain elite success today than it was 25-35 years ago. Now almost EVERY elite competitor starts at about 5-7 years old, the talent pool is greater/larger in every weight class. Which makes it much harder to distance yourself from the competition. Experience is a greater factor than age, also not everyone matures physically at the same age, some 18 year old's are more mature than some 20 years old. If age was such a great factor we wouldn't see so much success lately of 19 year old's beating 23 year old studs. If you want to argue 6 months is a big advantage...8 months and 3 days? ..1 year and 4 days? You'd never have any freshman beating a senior.

In this case it a age issue when the fans latch onto how big of a deal it is for the young true-freshman or even redshirt freshman won a title. Only to then find out that young freshman isn’t so young after all. If the fans wouldn’t make such a big deal of how the “young buck” won then no one would brin up their true age. Just say it’s impressive the guy to win in their first season of college and I’m guessing much of the age argument would go away. Or save the promotion of someone winning young until they actually win as a standard 18-19 year old college freshman.

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Some incoming college freshman are 20 when they start, it is what it is

This shows a positive benefit of of wrestling (and other sports as well)  many of these kids got left back a year or 2, but through the hard work learned in sport and love of the sport (wanting to compete means staying academically eligible) many kids left back a year or 2 feel dumb, have low self esteem and many turn out to be flunkies in society including jail and early death due to negative lifestyle,  but through hard work coaches staying on them to see them pass the classes (By requiring them to study at the tutoring center after practice)  they stay eligible and many/most get degrees, this is the way sport REALLY saves kids (And should be brought up when they try to cut a program),  look at the kid who the original poster is talking about EVEN IF  he did get left back 1 year in k-12 LOOK AT HIM NOW besides being an NCAA Champion in Wrestling, He is also a student at an IVY League school (A very hard and big accomplishment in itself) Wrestling aside it is great to see kids who were left back a year or 2 overcome the adversity, learn the value of hard work (Often through Sport)  and go on to attend college and get a degree.

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This shows a positive benefit of of wrestling (and other sports as well) many of these kids got left back a year or 2, but through the hard work learned in sport and love of the sport (wanting to compete means staying academically eligible) many kids left back a year or 2 feel dumb, have low self esteem and many turn out to be flunkies in society including jail and early death due to negative lifestyle, but through hard work coaches staying on them to see them pass the classes (By requiring them to study at the tutoring center after practice) they stay eligible and many/most get degrees, this is the way sport REALLY saves kids (And should be brought up when they try to cut a program), look at the kid who the original poster is talking about EVEN IF he did get left back 1 year in k-12 LOOK AT HIM NOW besides being an NCAA Champion in Wrestling, He is also a student at an IVY League school (A very hard and big accomplishment in itself) Wrestling aside it is great to see kids who were left back a year or 2 overcome the adversity, learn the value of hard work (Often through Sport) and go on to attend college and get a degree.

I’m fairly sure that most of these college wrestlers aren’t being held back for academic problems.

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