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As for disrespecting HS and College programs, you have yet to display how they do that?

 

Do you watch media outside sports? In the media, wrestling defaults to pro wrestling.  No other sport that I know of has this disadvantage. It is like if Basketball always defaulted to the Globe Trotters, only worse.

 

For example, apparently there  was some news reports about Putin after his "re-election" having Karalin and some other Gold medal guys with him at his celebration. USA media made a joke about it clearly indicating they were pro-type wrestlers.

 

If I walked into Harrisburg HS 8 years ago, and asked random boys who is your favorite wrestler, I am pretty sure 5 times as many guys would have named some WWE guy as Philip Davis or more recently Ed Ruth. 

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Do you watch media outside sports? In the media, wrestling defaults to pro wrestling.  No other sport that I know of has this disadvantage. It is like if Basketball always defaulted to the Globe Trotters, only worse.

 

For example, apparently there  was some news reports about Putin after his "re-election" having Karalin and some other Gold medal guys with him at his celebration. USA media made a joke about it clearly indicating they were pro-type wrestlers.

 

If I walked into Harrisburg HS 8 years ago, and asked random boys who is your favorite wrestler, I am pretty sure 5 times as many guys would have named some WWE guy as Philip Davis or more recently Ed Ruth. 

 

So? You're upset that the two use the same name and one has done a better job of becoming the default. That doesn't mean Prowrestling is disrespecting wrestling. That means Wrestling is doing a poor job of promoting itself!

 

I guess according to you  anyone who shares the same name as a celebrity should be pissed off and offended.

 

Jacob Kasper has discussed the possibility of going to the WWE as well. I guess he is a disgrace to wrestling as well.

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I think people can appreciate sports as sports and entertainment as entertainment, even though they may not be a fan of a specific sport or form of entertainment. Things just get tricky with pro wrestling, which is entertainment disguised as a sport. I mean, most people know WWE is fake as hell but the subterfuge of pro wrestling as legitimate competition rather than a soap opera with a serious PED problem can be a little bit grating to some. It's part of a bigger blurring between traditional sports and pseudo-sports & competitive entertainment. Ask people if NASCAR, X-Games, Texas Holdem, eSports, board games, luberjacking, spelling bees, etc. should be covered by the world's biggest sports media network and you'll probably get a broad range of responses.

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I saw Wayne Boyd wrestle for Temple on his way to an NCAA title for TEMPLE. I know he is one of about 20 guys who first beat Victor The Bear. I know he is involved with the Titan-Mercury Club. But I can find no Wikipedia article on either he or is fortune, so I doubt he ever made the Forbes 400, and maybe  coming up the 20M it would probably take to get wrestling and a female sport or two established at Temple or Toledo is not that simple.

 

I had to research why you were so mad at the letter turner on Wheel of Fortune.  Found that you were talking about MMA which I don't follow.

 

If you can find proof that I sometime praised MMA I will go away. But your statement that I am "way out of line" seems to be an unabashed demand that I shut up, so, no.

 

You are way out of line because TEMPLE, TEMPLE doesn't have, DOESN"T HAVE a wrestling program.  Boyd is a millionaire. 

 

And Dana White is the guys name for UFC. 

 

You're making it clear that you hate pro wrestling because you feel that the billion dollar business should give back to amateur wrestling much more than it has.  You blame UCONN and Southern Connecticut and Yale not having wrestling programs on McMahon. 

 

So I'll ask again, do you blame Boyd for Temple not having wrestling? 

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You are way out of line because TEMPLE, TEMPLE doesn't have, DOESN"T HAVE a wrestling program. Boyd is a millionaire.

And Dana White is the guys name for UFC.

You're making it clear that you hate pro wrestling because you feel that the billion dollar business should give back to amateur wrestling much more than it has. You blame UCONN and Southern Connecticut and Yale not having wrestling programs on McMahon.

So I'll ask again, do you blame Boyd for Temple not having wrestling?

 

Don't expect an answer. He still hasnt replied on his opinion of Gable Steveson or the others I've mentioned. Edited by BigTenFanboy

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If it weren't for pro-wrestling personalities...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I probably never would have never Snapped Into a Slim Jim!

 

WWF/WWE were never my thing, but I do not begrudge anyone who has the ability to make a living off of something that isn't illegal and has people willing to pay for the product.

 

If Kyle Snyder can cash-in for his achievements from legitimate wrestling by crossing over, good for him.  

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I do not even understand how anyone could be dumb enough to even equate the two things at all. 

 

They have nothing to do with one another. Pro Wrestling does nothing to hurt amateur wrestling. 

 

Pro wrestling has afforded some former Wrestlers a really good living. 

 

Who gives a **** what Kyle Snyder does? Would you be mad if he became a rich businessman because of his name? God bless him if he went to WWE and became rich. (Even though he probably will not anyway.)

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You are way out of line because TEMPLE, TEMPLE doesn't have, DOESN"T HAVE a wrestling program.  Boyd is a millionaire. 

 

And Dana White is the guys name for UFC. 

 

You're making it clear that you hate pro wrestling because you feel that the billion dollar business should give back to amateur wrestling much more than it has.  You blame UCONN and Southern Connecticut and Yale not having wrestling programs on McMahon. 

 

So I'll ask again, do you blame Boyd for Temple not having wrestling? 

 Boyd was a a national wrestling champion for Temple in 1969.  They had another National Champ, Bill Hyman, in 1985.  After Hyman won the National Title he was pictured on the front page of the sports section of the New York Times. A few weeks later Temple canned the wrestling program and a few others, both male and female. The AD stated the wrestling team did not earn enough publicity. Did I mention that Bill Hyman appeared on the front page of the NYTimes sports section?

 

University of Toledo use to have a wrestling team. I was at their facility for a world cup circa 1982, I think they once had an NCAA Champion, but I know not his name or year.

 

Boyd was a NCAA champ, an EIWA champ, the subject of movie, and victor over the bear, Victor.  He is founder and sponsor of the Titan Mercury wrestling club, so I assume he is reasonably wealthy. I am guessing he is well above a million dollars in worth, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of male college graduates over 60 are "millionaires" (well if they consider the value of their "loans" to their kids).  But a several page Google search provides no information on him other than Titan-Mercury and Victor Bear., so he may be worth in the 10s of $millions, but probably not in the 100s of $millions and certainly not in the $billions. I don't know why, particular, he should fund a program for Toledo; does he live there? Now to fund Temple, to 9.9 at a national level, and likely fund a woman's program could be $20-30,000,000. I just would not see someone worth under $100M doing so unless they are without heirs.

 

Again, although MMA is certainly a legitimate sport I am not interested. (kind of like I will watch Grand Prix racing but not Nascar outside of a bar.) So why the Heck should I know who Dana White is?

 

You seem to be too much of a hot head to attempt further, logical, cordial conversation.  

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Boyd was a a national wrestling champion for Temple in 1969. They had another National Champ, Bill Hyman, in 1985. After Hyman won the National Title he was pictured on the front page of the sports section of the New York Times. A few weeks later Temple canned the wrestling program and a few others, both male and female. The AD stated the wrestling team did not earn enough publicity. Did I mention that Bill Hyman appeared on the front page of the NYTimes sports section?

 

University of Toledo use to have a wrestling team. I was at their facility for a world cup circa 1982, I think they once had an NCAA Champion, but I know not his name or year.

 

Boyd was a NCAA champ, an EIWA champ, the subject of movie, and victor over the bear, Victor. He is founder and sponsor of the Titan Mercury wrestling club, so I assume he is reasonably wealthy. I am guessing he is well above a million dollars in worth, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of male college graduates over 60 are "millionaires" (well if they consider the value of their "loans" to their kids). But a several page Google search provides no information on him other than Titan-Mercury and Victor Bear., so he may be worth in the 10s of $millions, but probably not in the 100s of $millions and certainly not in the $billions. I don't know why, particular, he should fund a program for Toledo; does he live there? Now to fund Temple, to 9.9 at a national level, and likely fund a woman's program could be $20-30,000,000. I just would not see someone worth under $100M doing so unless they are without heirs.

 

Again, although MMA is certainly a legitimate sport I am not interested. (kind of like I will watch Grand Prix racing but not Nascar outside of a bar.) So why the Heck should I know who Dana White is?

 

You seem to be too much of a hot head to attempt further, logical, cordial conversation.

 

Too much of a hothead? More like you're getting called out for your nonsense. You disrespect a number of wrestlers for going the WWE route and refuse to back up any of your statements. Edited by BigTenFanboy

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I do not even understand how anyone could be dumb enough to even equate the two things at all. 

 

They have nothing to do with one another. Pro Wrestling does nothing to hurt amateur wrestling. 

 

Pro wrestling has afforded some former Wrestlers a really good living. 

 

Who gives a **** what Kyle Snyder does? Would you be mad if he became a rich businessman because of his name? God bless him if he went to WWE and became rich. (Even though he probably will not anyway.)

 

So if you have a close relative, who becomes a porn star (which is legal), and makes a good living off of it, it is all good. Who cares what that family member does. In order to be consistent you kind of have to go with it. 

 

In the end it is his call but like I wouldn't be happy with close family getting into porn I wouldn't be happy with this.

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So if you have a close relative, who becomes a porn star (which is legal), and makes a good living off of it, it is all good. Who cares what that family member does. In order to be consistent you kind of have to go with it.

 

You equate becoming a prowrestler as the same thing as an adult film star?

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If it weren't for pro-wrestling personalities...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I probably never would have never Snapped Into a Slim Jim!

 

WWF/WWE were never my thing, but I do not begrudge anyone who has the ability to make a living off of something that isn't illegal and has people willing to pay for the product.

 

If Kyle Snyder can cash-in for his achievements from legitimate wrestling by crossing over, good for him.  

No kidding.  It's like a lot of the guys here think Snyder or Burroughs owe them something.  Is he on his way to being the GOAT?  Yes.  Is he already one of our best ever?  Yes.  There's only so long somebody can compete and actually earn money as a freestyle wrestler in the US to make a living.  He has that money waiting for him from winning the Olympics, but It's not like there are an abundance of big time D1 offers to coach at a D1 school that'll pay any of our top guys(with little or 0 coaching experience) a high salary to stay in the sport.  If he(or anybody else) can make money a different way and be happy, then good for them.

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So if you have a close relative, who becomes a porn star (which is legal), and makes a good living off of it, it is all good. Who cares what that family member does. In order to be consistent you kind of have to go with it.

 

In the end it is his call but like I wouldn't be happy with close family getting into porn I wouldn't be happy with this.

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And pro wrestling fans are getting their intelligence called into question...

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I guess we can add pro wrestling to our list of wedge issues, along with singlets vs. compression shorts, wearing headgear, women's wrestling, Nike gear, the push-out rule and all the other arguments that pop up on occasion. That might be why we don't hear much about Hodge's pro wrestling career after college - too divisive of an issue?

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Don't expect an answer. He still hasnt replied on his opinion of Gable Steveson or the others I've mentioned.

Apparently this is an insult at me. Your original question was directed at Cornercoach.  I don't follow anyone on twitter.

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Apparently this is an insult at me. Your original question was directed at Cornercoach. I don't follow anyone on twitter.

That was an insult to you? Try more like an observation of your posting behavior. Now if you read through this thread you certainly will find a post where i insulted you. This one isn't it.

 

Now you want to deflect about Gable Steveson because my post wasn't directly quoting you? Fair enough. I'll ask you here directly. What's your thoughts on Gable Steveson as a fan of WWE as well as Paul Heyman a tremendously influential and successful promoter of prowrestling's personal endorsement of Gable winning his 4th state championship? Imo Heyman just exposed Gable to a HUGE audience that would have never had any interest in him. Just like Snyder was exposed to an entirely new audience of potential wrestling fans that had no idea who he was.

 

Now you seem to ignore the fact that I mentioned Bobby Lashley an NAIA National Champion in a post directed towards you. He has run youth clinics after the years. What is your thoughts on him as well?

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The obvious generosity towards amateur wrestling by everyone involved with the WWE has convinced me. We can see how the organization's homestate of Connecticut has

so many successful wrestling programs. (2 programs- Coast Guard and Sacred Heart- out of 21 4 year colleges). And of Course Vince McMahon's benevolence is why is alma mater, East Carolina, is such a national power. 

 

Of course the great expansion of the WWE just happened to coincide with the most catastrophic period of wrestling team loss, 1981-85. I am sure no college administrator said "we need to cancel a men's athletic program because of finances and/or Title 9. Why don't we dump the one that seems like the garbage shown on TV? "

 

Wesleyan U.  Trinity College.  Both also in CT.

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I guess we can add pro wrestling to our list of wedge issues, along with singlets vs. compression shorts, wearing headgear, women's wrestling, Nike gear, the push-out rule and all the other arguments that pop up on occasion. That might be why we don't hear much about Hodge's pro wrestling career after college - too divisive of an issue?

 

Actually an active "marriage" between "pro" and amateur wrestling would be enough for me to step away. One is sport, the other is a soap opera. If you don't think not being taken seriously is a big deal take a look at how many DI programs there are now. Yeah, Title IX, but even with title nine if a program has enough to fight for it will come back or get saved. A program in the heartland getting shelved... yeah that. If you think fake sport will save wrestling, well yeah, wrestling took it's biggest hit when WWE was filling up stadiums.  

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So let me get this straight. The rise of WWF during the 80's is what caused the massive number of colleges dropping wrestling programs? That has got to be one of the richest ideas I've ever heard.

 

Prowrestling as an industry was struggling tremendously during the early to mid 90's. Why didn't we see a huge increase in college wrestling popularity During those years? Prowrestlings popularity hit an all-time high during the early 2000's did we see a huge decline in popularity in college wrestling at the turn of the century?

 

This is getting outright ridiculous!

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That was an insult to you? Try more like an observation of your posting behavior. Now if you read through this thread you certainly will find a post where i insulted you. This one isn't it.

 

Now you want to deflect about Gable Steveson because my post wasn't directly quoting you? Fair enough. I'll ask you here directly. What's your thoughts on Gable Steveson as a fan of WWE as well as Paul Heyman a tremendously influential and successful promoter of prowrestling's personal endorsement of Gable winning his 4th state championship? Imo Heyman just exposed Gable to a HUGE audience that would have never had any interest in him. Just like Snyder was exposed to an entirely new audience of potential wrestling fans that had no idea who he was.

 

Now you seem to ignore the fact that I mentioned Bobby Lashley an NAIA National Champion in a post directed towards you. He has run youth clinics after the years. What is your thoughts on him as well?

in Posting 71, I explained Boyd was a national for Temple, with no apparent connection to Toledo.

 

Posting 80 JT1 quotes me, then makes his Temple,Temple post, clearly directed back at me.

 

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If Gable Stevenson wants to make WWE money that is fine. I presume he will not be out there encouraging kids to take steroids, er, vitamins like hulk hogan did.

But don't expect me to know who these WWE promoters are, even the ones who competed in the NAIA, the NAIA has not existed in Pa for decades, as far as I know.

 

 

Posting 81 you, B10FB, quote JT1's Temple Temple lines that were clearly directed at me, and replied to him "Don't expect an answer. He still hasnt replied on his opinion of Gable Steveson or the others I've mentioned. "  your line sure looks like you were intending  to critique the same person JT1 critiqued, me.

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in Posting 71, I explained Boyd was a national for Temple, with no apparent connection to Toledo.

 

Posting 80 JT1 quotes me, then makes his Temple,Temple post, clearly directed back at me.

 

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If Gable Stevenson wants to make WWE money that is fine. I presume he will not be out there encouraging kids to take steroids, er, vitamins like hulk hogan did.

But don't expect me to know who these WWE promoters are, even the ones who competed in the NAIA, the NAIA has not existed in Pa for decades, as far as I know.

 

 

Posting 81 you, B10FB, quote JT1's Temple Temple lines that were clearly directed at me, and replied to him "Don't expect an answer. He still hasnt replied on his opinion of Gable Steveson or the others I've mentioned. " your line sure looks like you were intending to critique the same person JT1 critiqued, me.

Post 81 was not an insult towards you. It was an observation on your posting patterns.

Post 69 was the insult towards you. Go back a read the difference between the two.

 

I don't expect you to know who these promoters are, but I do expect you to respect former NCAA wrestlers like Shelton Benjamin AA from University of Minnasota or Nick Nemeth Who won over 100 matches for Kent State or Nate Everhart who was at one time ranked number 2 in the country at 285 for Indiana while weighing only 225lbs or Charles Betts a 2012 Olympian for the USA in Greco Roman. All of whom are active wrestlers in WWE today. Others include Jake Hager AA for Oklahoma and Charlie Hass from Seton Hall, not to mention the countless wrestlers who wrestled in high school and their youth. And if you are going to insult or disrespect these people atleast know what the heck you're talking about.

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