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[russling]

I hearing 3 party that this is coming from another upset parent.
http://highschoolspo....com/wrestling/

[superbowlhomeboy]

Sounds like a family didn't get what they wanted and this is their retaliation. All of the allegations appear to be pretty big reaches.

Edited by superbowlhomeboy, 10 April 2018 - 04:59 AM.

[Billyhoyle]

Sounds like a family didn't get what they wanted and this is their retaliation. All of the allegations appear to be pretty big reaches.

How can you say this without knowing the facts of the case?  

[MadMardigain]

From the article the biggest red flag that could get someone in trouble are a few of the allegations against the assistant. Not saying it’s true but if some of it can be substantiated some of that is likely past what would be considered regular coaching related stuff. Possibly not jail worthy stuff but grounds for getting fired and making the school look bad if they choose to ignored that part of it.

Edited by MadMardigain, 10 April 2018 - 08:59 AM.

[superbowlhomeboy]

I've got nothing to do with any of the people involved and don't know the coaches from anyone. 

 

From the article...

 

"The lawsuit alleges Bergen Catholic head coach Dave Bell "inappropriately undressed with minors and watched wrestlers, including Plaintiff, change in the locker room, which they were completely nude or partially nude." It also claims assistant coach Dominick "Donnie" Spataro "showed pornographic and nude photographs of himself and others on his mobile phone to Plaintiff and other minor wrestlers, including photographs of his own nude body including his depictions of his penis."

 

So let me get this straight, the head coach changed his clothes in the locker room? GASP!!! This happens almost everywhere and is not perverted or weird in any way. What do these parents think happens at gyms? It's a locker room not a classroom. Nothing to see here. 

 

"The lawsuit alleges a variety of inappropriate behavior by Bell, including that he stated that the wrestler was "shredded" in an apparent reference to his body and "texted and emailed Plaintiff that he loved him, as well as other highly inappropriate and sexual predatory behavior on a minor child.""

 

Calling someone "shredded" is a compliment and not something that is sexual in any way. Was it accompanied by a wink? I don't get it. The text messages are a joke too. You want coaches to be a mentor and show kids that they care about them and at the same time twist it into sexual predator status. This is why we can't have nice things. 

 

My guess is the assistant was showing humorous pictures on his cell phone that contained some crude imagery. Dumb, but not a sexual predator. Again, happens all of the time. This guy should be reprimanded or fired and will hopefully learn from it. Lawsuit? No way. 

 

If that's the best they got, nothing happened. Nothing about any of this is sexual in nature. 

Edited by superbowlhomeboy, 10 April 2018 - 09:00 AM.

[gowrestle]

I've got nothing to do with any of the people involved and don't know the coaches from anyone.

From the article...

"The lawsuit alleges Bergen Catholic head coach Dave Bell "inappropriately undressed with minors and watched wrestlers, including Plaintiff, change in the locker room, which they were completely nude or partially nude." It also claims assistant coach Dominick "Donnie" Spataro "showed pornographic and nude photographs of himself and others on his mobile phone to Plaintiff and other minor wrestlers, including photographs of his own nude body including his depictions of his penis."

So let me get this straight, the head coach changed his clothes in the locker room? GASP!!! This happens almost everywhere and is not perverted or weird in any way. What do these parents think happens at gyms? It's a locker room not a classroom. Nothing to see here.

"The lawsuit alleges a variety of inappropriate behavior by Bell, including that he stated that the wrestler was "shredded" in an apparent reference to his body and "texted and emailed Plaintiff that he loved him, as well as other highly inappropriate and sexual predatory behavior on a minor child.""

Calling someone "shredded" is a compliment and not something that is sexual in any way. Was it accompanied by a wink? I don't get it. The text messages are a joke too. You want coaches to be a mentor and show kids that they care about them and at the same time twist it into sexual predator status. This is why we can't have nice things.

My guess is the assistant was showing humorous pictures on his cell phone that contained some crude imagery. Dumb, but not a sexual predator. Again, happens all of the time. This guy should be reprimanded or fired and will hopefully learn from it. Lawsuit? No way.

If that's the best they got, nothing happened. Nothing about any of this is sexual in nature.

Perfect summary. I do think that changing with athletes is not a good idea.

[1032004]

Yeah from the article I don’t see anything legitimate against Bell. The assistant coach probably though.

[superbowlhomeboy]

Perfect summary. I do think that changing with athletes is not a good idea.

I agree. Nothing weird about it, but probably have to avoid it to protect yourself. Society has become way too litigious.

[BobDole]

Perfect summary. I do think that changing with athletes is not a good idea.

Depends on the lockerroom and coaches office situation. I don't know BC's situation, but there could be very real situations where there is no true coaches office for coaches to change into practice attire.

[gimpeltf]

And I would think a school could also get in trouble for NOT monitoring a locker room.

[RetiredPoster]

Sounds like a bitter parent.

[gowrestle]

And I would think a school could also get in trouble for NOT monitoring a locker room.

Correct Gimp. But in the current PC climate, this can be tricky. A locker room can be monitored in several ways. But a coach changing with high school athletes should be discouraged. Times have changed.

[gimpeltf]

Correct Gimp. But in the current PC climate, this can be tricky. A locker room can be monitored in several ways. But a coach changing with high school athletes should be discouraged. Times have changed.

 

Yup. I was just trying to say this has become a no-win scenario.

[BobDole]

Correct Gimp. But in the current PC climate, this can be tricky. A locker room can be monitored in several ways. But a coach changing with high school athletes should be discouraged. Times have changed.

There are many questions I would have about that as I can think of many scenarios where a coach could have a good reason to change in the same area.

-Is there a readily available coaches office?

--Some places have coaches offices, but they have big windows where the kids can see the coaches changing. Some don't even have a dedicated coaches office.

 

-Was this a one time thing or every day?
--I could see a coach forgetting his keys or running late and changing in the same area

 

Questions like this can shed some light on this one allegation. 

[gimpeltf]

Saingas - separate facility near football stadium

 

https://www.bergenca...tics/facilities

 

 

NJ usually runs a Fargo training day there. Good sized room with a storage room to the end where kids often change. I don't know if the in season kids do that also though. I don't think there's an office there. Have only been downstairs once or twice. I think the weight room there and bathrooms (I think both genders- not sure)

[gowrestle]

There are many questions I would have about that as I can think of many scenarios where a coach could have a good reason to change in the same area.
-Is there a readily available coaches office?
--Some places have coaches offices, but they have big windows where the kids can see the coaches changing. Some don't even have a dedicated coaches office.

-Was this a one time thing or every day?
--I could see a coach forgetting his keys or running late and changing in the same area

Questions like this can shed some light on this one allegation.

Great questions.

[cjc007]

Perfect summary. I do think that changing with athletes is not a good idea.

I went back to work out with the guys about 20 yrs ago and was told not to change in front of the guys and take a private shower.

A lot has changed since 1983.

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Edited by cjc007, 12 April 2018 - 12:21 PM.

[gowrestle]

Heard that BC is spreading misinformation. They are vilifying the complainant. Kid was a good wrestler and was a probable starter. He was uncomfortable with what he experienced and went to the principal to express his feelings. Kid was dismissed from the team after meeting with the principal. I think this may be more than a disgruntled parent. Also heard that both parents are attorneys. I doubt they would have pursued this if there wasn’t merit.

[superbowlhomeboy]

Heard that BC is spreading misinformation. They are vilifying the complainant. Kid was a good wrestler and was a probable starter. He was uncomfortable with what he experienced and went to the principal to express his feelings. Kid was dismissed from the team after meeting with the principal. I think this may be more than a disgruntled parent. Also heard that both parents are attorneys. I doubt they would have pursued this if there wasn’t merit.

You think the parents being attorneys makes it less likely that they would file a suit? If anything, that makes it significantly more likely and means they know exactly what buttons to try and push, leaving no stone unturned, while incurring no legal fees along the way. They will be smart enough to tip toe around anything that would enable a countersuit to be filed against them. This would explain why many of the claims are seemingly innocent and common situations that they are trying to pervert. The fact that police were never called and there is no criminal investigation continues to be one of the biggest signs that nothing really happened and that this is just someone trying to flex their muscles.

By filing a civil suit instead of making false claims to the police or press, I believe they are free of any slander or defamation suits.

Edited by superbowlhomeboy, 13 April 2018 - 02:16 PM.

[gowrestle]

You think the parents being attorneys makes it less likely that they would file a suit? If anything, that makes it significantly more likely and means they know exactly what buttons to try and push. To me, this just means they will be smart enough to tip toe around anything that would enable a countersuit to be filed against them. This would explain why many of the claims are seemingly innocent and common situations that they are trying to pervert. The fact that police were never called and there is no criminal investigation continues to be one of the biggest signs that nothing really happened and that this is just someone trying to flex their muscles.

Good points. Everything is speculation.