russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 I see that Kyle Snyder has a letter to wrestling. It was a really good idea when Kobe did it for Basketball. It seems like this is ussually the case in wrestling. Everything that is deemed cool comes from other sports. Heck, you can't hear the hodge without someone saying it's the heisman for wrestling. The pin chain is wrestlings turnover chain. March Matness?? What the heck. Is anyone capable of something original? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 750 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 So what's your idea? 1 scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) To point out an issue so to discuss why it happens and what are some possible solutions. Hopefully wrestling will at the very least avoid doing the same ole thing over again and again. You don't see value in that IronChef? Or is it better to ignore and pretend like it's not a thing. I don't have a solution off the top of my head, but if you don't see discussion as valuable, then why be on a forum at all? Edited April 14, 2018 by russelscout Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
potentiallydangerous 197 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) In a country where half the people get their opinions from Rachel Maddow and the other half from Sean Hannity, it's a good idea to dumb it down to get their attention. Edited April 14, 2018 by potentiallydangerous 8 russelscout, iGranby, cjc007 and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 653 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 In a country where half the people get their opinions from Rachel Maddow and the other half from Sean Hannity, it's a good idea to dumb it down to get their attention.Post of the year! Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 317 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) Do you have any better ideas? You really only have two good examples. Calling the Hodge the Heisman of wrestling is just the easiest way to explain it to the average person. Edited April 14, 2018 by CoachWrestling 1 GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyum 235 Report post Posted April 14, 2018 Cause when wrestlers think of something on our own we decide to tuck our sweats into our socks. 8 Witherman, nighthawk21, ohcomeon and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingFan89 246 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Cause when wrestlers think of something on our own we decide to tuck our sweats into our socks. Or jackets into sweat pants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 wait, we want the common fan? or we don't? if we do everything original, how will we explain it? the common fan understands what the heisman is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 btw, both of those are good ideas. i see lots of kids who aren't wrestlers walking around in those weird pants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowrestle 636 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 John Heisman had a distinguished life. He certainly accomplished a lot as a coach & administrator. Hodge was a great wrestler and could crush an apple in his hand but what were his other accomplishments? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Heisman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ResiliteMarine 29 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 #TakeaFriendToAWrestlingMatch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ohcomeon 57 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Lets start a month where all teams wear a certain color singlet to raise awareness for ringworm/impetigo/herpes? I think that could catch on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmsu34 16 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Wish i skipped this thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,655 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Cause when wrestlers think of something on our own we decide to tuck our sweats into our socks. You will see that wrestling frequently stumbles over their own ideas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,890 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 we can just start calling the Heisman the Hodge Trophy for college football. boom, problem solved. any more brain busters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 we can just start calling the Heisman the Hodge Trophy for college football. boom, problem solved. any more brain busters? Is it really that much harder to say the Hodge goes to the best wrestler regardless of weight, than it is to say it is the heisman of wrestling. I get the vibe on here that most would say that there is not an issue at all and I am silly for even bring this up. I'm fine with that. Between the echo chamber of the wrestling forums and work, where no cares about wrestling at all, its hard to tell if the presentation of our sport has any affect on viewership, or if it is always just die hard fans. Maybe riding in the wake of other sports is the best way to grow fans. However, I am a firm believer we must differentiate or die. What does that mean for Wrestling? Hard to say. As an image, fun and tactical wrestling seems to be the new message of some program in recruiting, while others embrace the more stoic message of the past. How is that packaged up and sold to the parents, students and potential fans? Idk. We do have more programs reaching higher attendance numbers, but no dual championships and one conference is waaay better than all the others. We have way more interesting characters and high achieving freshman coming in, but most casual fans don't know who these guys are. How can that be changed? Or can it be changed? Is it unrealistic to expect that wrestling grows much beyond where it is now, and will we continue to have to use other sports as an example to make our sport more relatable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grappler6 135 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Trying to get wrestling to be more main stream, by using analogies and/gimmicks that are mainstream makes sense to me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 nighthawk21 and steamboat_charlie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,890 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Maybe riding in the wake of other sports is the best way to grow fans. However, I am a firm believer we must differentiate or die. you're probably right. if people have no way of telling the difference between college wrestling and college football then we are likely in big trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 you know why no one at your office cares about wrestling? they didn't wrestle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iGranby 175 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) Sport generally feed off of each other. Its not a bad thing at all. I understand the idea of being original, but Its kind of hard in this specific context. Ill be really broad - the idea of walkout music. Baseball has it, BBall has it, any kind of large scale martial art has it. We have it in the NCAA finals. Many many schools have it for dual meets. Where did it come from? I dunno. Is it lame because other sports do it? No. Ill be really specific - Tucking your joggers, or sweat pants into your socks. Most wrestlers do this now. Was it "our" idea? Im not sure. I will say that I'd never seen anyone doing that before I noticed wrestlers doing it. Now, when I go to our athletic facility I see kids who play various sports doing it all the time. Is it lame because they might have seen the wrestlers doing it? No. (your personal opinions aside, I mean. Kids like it. Gramps doesnt.) I dont think sports using things from other sports is a bad idea. If people think its cool..."why not?" Edited April 17, 2018 by iGranby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 short shorts are making a comeback. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iwrite 106 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 One of the main goals of the Hodge Trophy's creator was to expand the awareness and image of wrestling into other areas. For over 20 years, the trophy has been presented at halftime of football games, sometimes in front of crowds of 75,000 and more. Seeing a fine young athlete like Logan Stieber or Zain Retherford holding the trophy aloft may cause some fans to say, "Hey, let's go to a wrestling meet and see what it's all about." Over one million fans have seen the Hodge Trophy presented at college football games and that certainly is a plus in the marketing sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcjcjc 105 Report post Posted April 18, 2018 In a country where half the people get their opinions from Rachel Maddow and the other half from Sean Hannity, it's a good idea to dumb it down to get their attention. I don't agree with this post, but I love this post. I'm contrarian by nature, and I was nurtured by a punk rocker and hippie. 1 iGranby reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites