Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,453 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) All americans do focus on stamina, gym, never tired on the mat, i like so much taylor, my fav wrestler, he is as tech and plastic like me, and about Snyder, he does Bench press 200 kg, for what? idk, he's 2x world champ he knows better. But i never train in gym, never do cross, I was always weaker in physical strength in the fight. I'm very weak physically, i like wrestling, it's like art for me, now many wrestlers turned wrestling into sumo, only push and step out, i get relax when wrestle, I enjoy the wrestling- Ilyas Bekbulatov Edited April 15, 2018 by Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 3 Eagle26, Coach_J and GoNotQuietly reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Thanks for posting. That's the 3rd or 4th time I've heard a Russian express some concern about Snyder's weight training. They might be right... at a certain point you sacrifice flexibility and range of motion for strength, right? Maybe it doesn't matter... doesn't seem to be hurting Snyder in any case. 1 Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,051 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Some of these guys who claim to be "weak" are actually exceptionally strong in terms of positioning and functional strength. The Russians and Eastern Euros I wrestled were some of the strongest people I ever competed against in terms of trying to move them and create breaks in their position. I was big into lifting and had well above average strength in weight training terms but they made me feel like the weakling. 4 spladle08, Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin, Buckeyebison and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Some of these guys who claim to be "weak" are actually exceptionally strong in terms of positioning and functional strength. The Russians and Eastern Euros I wrestled were some of the strongest people I ever competed against in terms of trying to move them and create breaks in their position. I was big into lifting and had well above average strength in weight training terms but they made me feel like the weakling. There's also a bit of exaggeration going on when they say things like "I never train in the gym" or "I don't do strength training." What they really mean is that they don't do much traditional weight training with free weights. They do other things like heavy ropes, weighted pull ups, body weight exercises, etc. 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,566 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 I wonder f he trains with that Russian techno bumping in the background? I looked him up in foeldeak, may be th ebest guy to never wrestle in worlds or olympics. Maybe he should hit the weights and work on a weakness or two. He schooled Godcalf: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 I wonder f he trains with that Russian techno bumping in the background? I looked him up in foeldeak, may be th ebest guy to never wrestle in worlds or olympics. Maybe he should hit the weights and work on a weakness or two. He schooled Godcalf: Bekbulatov is awesome. Shocking that he hasn't added a world championship to his accolades but that's the kind of depth you're dealing with in Russia. 4x Yarygin champ... pretty incredible. 1 Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 855 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 at a certain point you sacrifice flexibility and range of motion for strength, right? Only if you're not training in your full range of motions. Otherwise, lifting weights should increase ROM. Think more olympic lifter (snatch, C&J) and less powerlifter (bench press, squat, dead) 4 Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin, GranbyTroll, herma48852 and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle26 426 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 You don't need to spend much time in the weight rom if you load up on steroids!! 1 KSchlosser reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted April 15, 2018 Only if you're not training in your full range of motions. Otherwise, lifting weights should increase ROM. Think more olympic lifter (snatch, C&J) and less powerlifter (bench press, squat, dead) Fair enough, but at the very least you run the risk of decreasing ROM by over-training. I know they say lifting with full range of motion can actually improve flexibility... it just goes against what feels like common knowledge. How many people actually lift that way? Especially when we're talking about the kind of weight that Snyder puts up. If anyone is disciplined enough to train exactly the right way, it's him, but still. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buckeyebison 87 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 I wrestled with the Russians in '90s. One Russian is very soft. He doesn't use strength at all but uses the very specific techniques to trap me a lot. His soft approach certainly confuse hell out of my mental and physical. He easily overcome me at every time. The other Russian doesn't use weight lifting but uses a variety of exercise such as heavy chain, large tire, heavy rope, etc. He is very quick and uses very specific techniques to trap my arm. It was painful. These Russians mainly focused on techniques rather than conditioning. The only thing is that they may be bit out of breath toward the end. These Russians are top with very deep depth. I admire them. 2 spladle08 and Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,051 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 When we trained in Russia and Belarus, they had the giant hammer and tractor tire to bang on--great for torso/core strength. In addition, ropes, peg boards, chin up bars. They also said they took kids down to a local river where they lifted and tossed big stones. When I trained in Sweden, they had a very thorough system of buddy carries and lifts, again very much geared toward the core. The Cuban I've worked with also did buddy carries/lifts--incredibly strong guy. All very exceptionally innovative, intelligent people. 6 herma48852, MikePorcelli, de4856 and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyum 235 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Gudeuv doesn't lift...... right 2 AllISeeIsBronze and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 855 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Fair enough, but at the very least you run the risk of decreasing ROM by over-training. I know they say lifting with full range of motion can actually improve flexibility... it just goes against what feels like common knowledge. How many people actually lift that way? Especially when we're talking about the kind of weight that Snyder puts up. If anyone is disciplined enough to train exactly the right way, it's him, but still. Snyder, and the Ohio State guys specifically, work with Dustin Myers..one of the best wrestling strength and conditioning guys out there. We also have many professional coaches at the IOC, and the RTCs who can program for strength as well as mobility. It's much more common to address flexibility and imbalance now than it was a couple decades ago. 1 AllISeeIsBronze reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,453 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Gudeuv doesn't lift...... right oh nyum...u still live...i though russian fans killed u lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyum 235 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 oh nyum...u still live...i though russian fans killed u lolLol they could try, but I’d pack em up like Russian nesting dolls Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,453 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Lol they could try, but I’d pack em up like Russian nesting dolls i know u...u are hater of Russian wrestlers...okay, that's ur choice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 536 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 Changing gears a little bit, but Abdul, did you ever meet Khabib or Zabit? Great fighters! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 536 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 One more thing since I went a little mma here, would love to see Ben Askren fight GSP. Back to this thread, always thought Bekbulatov was one of the best freestylers in the world. Obviously there's more than just one way to train. Every champion is different. 1 Alwayswrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllISeeIsBronze 64 Report post Posted April 16, 2018 At the end of the day, resistance is resistance, whether in the form of a barbell or your own body. As long as you are overloading it in some form of way (heavier load for deadlifts, more reps for pullups, shorter rest periods, etc), you are probably going to see some adaptations by your body. No doubt many of the Russians are ridiculously strong with their functional training, but to say they don't do any weightlifting (even comparing to Snyder's freak workouts) is a little disingenious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 The quote that matters:"he's 2x world champ, he knows better." Snyder does know better. All other factors being roughly equal, the stronger guy wins. The Russians would not be risking disqualification with anabolics otherwise. Strength is a major reason why Snyder is the best wrestler in the world, and every Russian who says lifting is time poorly spent would be better were they to lift consistently. 3 TheOhioState, AllISeeIsBronze and herma48852 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle 179 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 Remember back when the Russians would deny that Karelin lifts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 855 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 Remember back when the Russians would deny that Karelin lifts? That was at the same time Karelin was giving interviews detailing his multiple lifts per day workout regimen, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted April 17, 2018 Maybe Bekbulatov saw Rocky IV and decided to go rustic with his strength & conditioning training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 402 Report post Posted April 18, 2018 im not so sure. whatever they have been doing for the last 50 years seemed to be working... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Workers` Wrestling 10 Report post Posted April 19, 2018 "he does Bench press 200 kg, for what?" I guess he does not appreciate a good pec dance very much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites