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#41 PSUMike

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 03:06 AM

"most" you are kidding, correct?

 

ASU admissions standards aren't terribly competitive. I think that is not an unreasonable assumption. 



#42 SC_Wrestling

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 04:47 AM

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#43 cjc007

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 06:48 AM

ASU admissions standards aren't terribly competitive. I think that is not an unreasonable assumption.

Are they higher than Phoenix University?

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 03:52 PM

why are athletic scholarships an issue for ASU.... you dont have to be a rocket science to get in... you would think they can get most of their recruits in on academic scholarships

 

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 03:55 PM

Like most elite academic institutions, the average family will pay less to attend Duke than their local state school.

Of course, the issue is acceptance. Getting accepted is the hard part but as long as you're accepted and from an average or low income family, paying for college is not a problem at Duke. It is only the high income families that are paying full sticker price to attend the elite private schools.

 

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#46 WillieBoy

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 09:24 AM

They have the money for all sports and largely don't spend it.  Baseball is a warm weather sport that in college is almost exclusively the south and the west coast.  The final 16 in last year's college baseball were all south or west coast.  That is the recruiting base and that is who is good in college.  The state leaders for producing current MLB guys are California, Texas, Florida, and then the rest of the south and midwest.  But none of the midwest natives stay home for college because of weather.  So the SEC being good in baseball has nothing to do with football money and everything to do with geography.  This is the same reason the Big 10 is good at wrestling and NCAA lacrosse championships stay in the northeast.  The SEC has as much chance of winning the frozen four as they do the NCAA wrestling tournament.

 

On Baseball I am in a State where one of the three most promoted names is Roger Maris. (Lawrence Welk and Teddy Roosevelt are the other two).

Two seasons here: Winter... and winter is coming.

 

HS baseball games cancelled the past two weeks because the field was still frozen. 31 degrees at game time with winter storm predictions cancelled the games two weeks ago. The local team was finally able to get on the field this past Friday - the only field open in the State so far and due to the hard work of two main volunteers who cleared snow early and did a lot of infield work so even though the ground is still frozen the warm weather(50's and even 63 one day) had the top layer ready to play. Only playable field in the State.

 

On the other hand, North Dakota produces more ice Hockey players than Texas or Arizona.

 

Contrast these kids who have 4-6 months total each year to play baseball outside with full year access. A lot like wrestling where in Pennsylvania compared to Alabama. Different mindset and different emphasis.

 

ASU should compete well if the coaching staff can build on their star as the draw for now. The campus is beautiful. Winter weather is non-existent. It is close enough to drive to if you want it. A lot of reasons for a kid to attend.


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

ASU admissions standards aren't terribly competitive. I think that is not an unreasonable assumption.


And what does that have to do with academic scholarships?

What percent of ASU students receive full ride academic scholarships and what percent receive 50% academic scholarships?

#48 aknipp

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 12:32 PM

ASU admissions standards aren't terribly competitive. I think that is not an unreasonable assumption.



ASU has a high acceptance rate. They let as many students in as want to attend. However the school is quite competitive. Several years ago there was a review of the complete course catalog with private industry and many of thanks worthless courses were dumped.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 12:35 PM

And what does that have to do with academic scholarships?
What percent of ASU students receive full ride academic scholarships and what percent receive 50% academic scholarships?


They give out a lot of aid. In state students with a 30 ACT pay no tuition. My daughter got a 32 and got half room and board as well.

A friends daughter is in the business school, paying less as an out of state from CA than they would have paid at UCLA.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 02:55 PM

Other than TOSU, Party U!

Ohio State is one of the hardest colleges to get into in the state.  75% of entering students score 27 or above on the ACT; 25% score 31 or above.   

In the Big Ten, only NW and Michigan have more rigorous standards for the ACT.  NW is 31/34 and Mich is 29/33.  

Of course, all bets are off for star athletes.

 



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 03:47 PM

This should be a lesson for coaches.  Do not bring up race, religion, or sexual orientation with your athletes.  If they bring it up, do not engage.  Be respectful of their beliefs, as crazy as they might be (e.g. not believing in evolution).  

 

People have extremely thin skin, and in a professional environment you are held responsible for offending these people. The firing was absolutely justified given the way the world now works.  A wrestling program is the last place you want causing student protests/problems for the athletic department.   

 

 

Are they higher than Phoenix University?

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#52 gobraves101905

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 04:19 PM

It is true some guys have definately under performed, Anthony Valencia being the biggest. Maruca seemed to get a bad deal this year. Bennick really hurt but supposedly his money allowed them to get Milhoff, who really disappointed. Naser maybe could have stolen some team points at nationals, but not really expected to AA. Raimo and  Chlebove if they red shirt, will never see the mat with Zahid. Too many years between top recruits and not enough to fill the gaps. Too many completely dead weight classes. Maybe Courtney and Demison can step in and earn some points

 

Also, speaking of scholarships. The first big class will still be on the books when guys like Teemer, Raimo and Chlebove all hit campus. So why have the gaps not been filled sooner? Where is the money coming from for these 3? And where has that money been?


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#53 TobusRex

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 04:43 PM

I think what killed Milhof was not having Cody Brewer around to make him better.



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Posted 25 April 2018 - 04:12 AM

They give out a lot of aid. In state students with a 30 ACT pay no tuition. My daughter got a 32 and got half room and board as well.

A friends daughter is in the business school, paying less as an out of state from CA than they would have paid at UCLA.

that's true a lot of places if you shop around.  All 3 of mine went out of state, saved money vs going in state.  Point is though what's the percentage?  Buy saying "most" above that means the majority of wrestlers could get academic scholarships, and to be effective that mean it needs to be the majority of wrestlers that are good enough and can attract away from programs offering athletic scholarships.  I just doubt that a majority, plus again there are other state universities with similar academic options.



#55 aknipp

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 09:23 AM

that's true a lot of places if you shop around.  All 3 of mine went out of state, saved money vs going in state.  Point is though what's the percentage?  Buy saying "most" above that means the majority of wrestlers could get academic scholarships, and to be effective that mean it needs to be the majority of wrestlers that are good enough and can attract away from programs offering athletic scholarships.  I just doubt that a majority, plus again there are other state universities with similar academic options.

 

Agreed,  I was just giving some anecdotal information. Not certain how many D1 caliber wrestlers can score a 30+  on the ACT, but wrestlers tend to be a lot smarter than FB and BB players (as if that is hard). 

 

The 9.9 scholarship limit is also something to consider.  Very few guys will get a guaranteed 4 (or 5) year scholarship. Coaches need to juggle the current team with the promising backups as well as the redshirt class. That is a lot of guys to split the 9.9 scholarships on. For those who can qualify for aid, that makes life a lot easier for the coach. 



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Posted 25 April 2018 - 02:36 PM

I go to ASU and if you want to slack off and breeze through while getting a degree in something then you can.  I'm 90% done with my degree and there are people in some of my classes who still can't spell or structure a paragraph properly.  Not that our professors aren't doing them any favors, one of my final exams this semester we had 2 in class reviews of the questions that would be on the final and got to choose the questions that would be on it.  Oh and the final was online and obviously open note/book.  On the other hand if you want to go to Barrett which is the honors college, you can and they actually have some high standards.  But for most of the rest of classes at ASU you pretty much just have to show up.  One class was in person but all of the assignments were done online, and every assignment was a multiple choice and you got 3 tries to get each question right.  I did my entire semester's worth of work in about 2 hours.  Final exam was the same.  I never found anything so absurdly easy at any other college I went to.  


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:43 PM

I go to ASU and if you want to slack off and breeze through while getting a degree in something then you can. I'm 90% done with my degree and there are people in some of my classes who still can't spell or structure a paragraph properly. Not that our professors aren't doing them any favors, one of my final exams this semester we had 2 in class reviews of the questions that would be on the final and got to choose the questions that would be on it. Oh and the final was online and obviously open note/book. On the other hand if you want to go to Barrett which is the honors college, you can and they actually have some high standards. But for most of the rest of classes at ASU you pretty much just have to show up. One class was in person but all of the assignments were done online, and every assignment was a multiple choice and you got 3 tries to get each question right. I did my entire semester's worth of work in about 2 hours. Final exam was the same. I never found anything so absurdly easy at any other college I went to.

If you don’t mind me asking, what are you studying?

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 11:01 PM

It is true some guys have definately under performed, Anthony Valencia being the biggest. Maruca seemed to get a bad deal this year. Bennick really hurt but supposedly his money allowed them to get Milhoff, who really disappointed. Naser maybe could have stolen some team points at nationals, but not really expected to AA. Raimo and Chlebove if they red shirt, will never see the mat with Zahid. Too many years between top recruits and not enough to fill the gaps. Too many completely dead weight classes. Maybe Courtney and Demison can step in and earn some points

Also, speaking of scholarships. The first big class will still be on the books when guys like Teemer, Raimo and Chlebove all hit campus. So why have the gaps not been filled sooner? Where is the money coming from for these 3? And where has that money been?

Do you know if they are still planning on honoring commitment to Chlebove?


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#59 PSUMike

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Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:03 AM

Do you know if they are still planning on honoring commitment to Chlebove?


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They pulled the offer a while ago so I've heard.



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Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:21 AM

I guess it is all relative to expectations, but many are giving A. Valencia a pretty raw deal.  35-7 and 27-10 while making R12 as a Freshman and R16 as a Sophomore is pretty damn good.  Having Joseph, IMar, Massa, Rogers and Walsh in his weight for both years didn't exactly make it easy.  Throw in Z. Jordan and Lewis for his Freshman year and R12 was about where he should have been.

 

This past season, it looked pretty obvious(to me anyway) that the cut was getting to him.  It also didn't help that McFadden came off redshirt and Wick,Marstellar, Marinelli and Lewis all came into the weight.  Simply put, 165 has probably been the most top heavy weight the past 2 years.






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