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#21 Billyhoyle

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:25 PM

I think he was chosen because a certain someone with a lot of pull at BTS was inspired by Ric Flair’s fashion choices.

#22 Lurker

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:19 AM

Jason Bryant and BigTenFanBoy:
Spot on. Best posts in the thread.
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#23 iGranby

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:25 AM

Jason Bryant and BigTenFanBoy:
Spot on. Best posts in the thread.

 

Yeah. Some people are so sour and are relatively uninformed. 



#24 IronChef

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:38 AM

They honored Ray Lewis once. Is Ric Flair much of a departure?



#25 Don Mog

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:36 PM

I don't get it. One reason wrestling went on decline during the 90s where I live was american professional wrestling shows on TV. There are still people where I live who think international wrestling is the same clown wrestling like you saw on the WWF.

 

Well, at least the early 2000s MMA craze changed the view a bit. Now that MMA is finally on decline here, well see what's next.



#26 Don Mog

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:37 PM

Unpopular opinion: We should have surrendered the name wrestling to them decades ago and moved forward with something else (maybe stolen the name grappling?) if we wanted to be thought of as distinct from "sports entertainment".  As per usual, our purism hurts our sport.

 

 

No. Just no.



#27 Don Mog

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:40 PM

Actually appealing to ANYONE who is not currently a wrestling fan WILL help grow the sport.

People here bitch and moan about wanting to grow the sport and how it'll never be mainstream.

Here's an opportunity to tap into the mainstream market and holier than thou wrestling "purists" bitch and moan that Ric Flair or Kurt Angle are fakers and haven't done enough to grow the sport. BS. Ric Flair has always been a supporter of wrestling. His late son Reid wrestled at Blair Academy where he was a National Prep place finisher and wrestled in the cadet freestyle circuit.

Kurt Angle through his Olympic Gold effort in 1996 helped grow the sport.

The fact that he has been repeatedly recognized as an Olympic Gold Medalist on WWE TV helps grow the sport by reminding everyone that real wrestling is out there. When he was featured on MTV's I Want to be a High School Wrestler helping a high school kid named Dove join his HS wrestling team helped grow the sport. Just because the sport isn't overflowing with tons of kids willing to wrestle doesn't mean these people haven't helped grow the sport. The sport is a pretty damn tough one and isn't appealing to most. Maybe the sport is just too difficult and unappealing to the masses regardless of who promotes it for it to grow to the numbers your delusional mind thinks it should. As for those of you who think Prowrestling hurts wrestling. No it doesn't. What hurts wrestling is the weight cutting, skin infections, negative image of being "gay" and potential for injury, not to mention the ridiculous level of commitment with little to no recognition in return. Here we have someone who is a hell of a lot more famous than Kyle Snyder or Jordan Burroughs and is going to attend and help promote the sport and we wrestling fans take a crap on him calling his award a joke. News flash, Ric Flair being at BTS will cause more mainstream media attention than Burroughs vs Chamizo or Snyder vs Sadulaev combined ever will, because quite frankly no one outside of the small tiny wrestling fanbase gives a crap.

 

 

Professional wrestling is pretty much dead outside the US. I guess this helps on the stateside, but it can only cause WTF:s outside the US.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:22 PM

Professional wrestling is pretty much dead outside the US. I guess this helps on the stateside, but it can only cause WTF:s outside the US.

It seems to be pretty big in Mexico.  Lucha Libre (which means freestyle wrestling). 



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:26 PM

How does it help? Do you really think a pro wrasslin fan from Alabama is going to spend $150 on Flo wrestling to watch Ric Flair at BTS?

Kurt Angle brought so many fake wrestling fans into amatuer wrestling. I mean what would we do without Vince McMahon's unwavering support of amatuer wrestling?

Sometimes it's better to stand alone than stand in bad company.

Steroids, drugs, stupid story lines is the fix for amatuer wrestling!

Let's go all in and have a no holds bout with Flair and Hogan. It will bring fans into into amatuer wrestling. I swear it will. Just give it a chance!

Professional wrestling is pretty much dead outside the US. I guess this helps on the stateside, but it can only cause WTF:s outside the US.

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#30 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:20 AM

Professional wrestling is pretty much dead outside the US. I guess this helps on the stateside, but it can only cause WTF:s outside the US.


False.

Pretty big fan bases in the UK, Mexico and Japan.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:25 AM

How does it help? Do you really think a pro wrasslin fan from Alabama is going to spend $150 on Flo wrestling to watch Ric Flair at BTS?
Kurt Angle brought so many fake wrestling fans into amatuer wrestling. I mean what would we do without Vince McMahon's unwavering support if amatuer wrestling?
Sometimes it's better to stand alone than stand in bad company.
Steroids, drugs, stupid story lines is the fix for amatuer wrestling!
Let's go all in and have a no holds bout with Flair and Hogan. It will bring fans into into amatuer wrestling. I swear it will. Just give it a chance!

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It's not Ric Flair or Kurt Angles fault that NCAA and USAWrestling couldn't seal the deal.
Steroids, drugs... hmmm sounds like Russia to me.
Stupid storylines? CJC's Opinion there.

If wrestling people had any clue how to market the sport there would be a bigger fan base.
Get off your arrogant holier than thou high horse.
It's people like you with your narrowminded view that prevent the sport from expanding and growing.

Why would a nonwrestling fan give a crap about who Jordan Burroughs or Kyle Snyder were? If Ric Flair or Kurt Angle gave them a glowing endorsement you bet you rear end a heck of a lot of nonwrestling people would atleast know who they were.

Edited by BigTenFanboy, 17 May 2018 - 12:29 AM.


#32 cjc007

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:29 AM

It's not Ric Flair or Kurt Angles fault that NCAA and USAWrestling couldn't seal the deal.
Steroids, drugs... hmmm sounds like Russia to me.
Stupid storylines? CJC's Opinion there.

If wrestling people had any clue how to market the sport there would be a bigger fan base.
Get off your arrogant holier than thou high horse.
It's people like you with your narrowminded mindset that prevent the sport from expanding and growing.

You really should look at how many fake pro wrestlers died early because of steroids and illegal drugs.

It's a seedy business which should be shunned by amatuer wrestling, not embraced.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:33 AM

Are there no more deserving people left from the real combat sport of wrestling to honor?


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#34 JasonBryant

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:04 AM

...so we should shun professional football players too who have died because of the same thing.

... or all our former wrestlers who have passed away in their real jobs for succumbing to the same issues with drug abuse and mental illness.

One of the WWE’s main talent scouts is a former Oklahoma State Cowboy who is always looking to bring in people from the college and international ranks.

If you don’t like it, that’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t make your stance any more right than those who have a different viewpoint. Most people who watch the WWE know exactly what they are getting.

And the NWHOF Dan Gable Museum has a wing for professional wrestling.


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#35 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:10 AM

You really should look at how many fake pro wrestlers died early because of steroids and illegal drugs.

It's a seedy business which should be shunned by amatuer wrestling, not embraced.

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Keeping shunning every industry that has shadiness in their past. Got it!

 

Shun the NFL!! Too many drugs and scandals!! How many kids and died due to Football?

Oh while we're at it, lets shun USAWrestling for working with John Dupont in the past.

Endorsements from politicians?

Shun them! Seedy past! Look how many people that have died due to the hands of politicians!

 

When Gable Steveson went to a WWE Event and met Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman, Heyman posted a tweet saying Gable Steveson was the next big thing in wrestling, not Brock Lesnar.

That exposed Steveson to a whole legion of people that would have NEVER otherwise known who he was. Yup! Thats BAD for the sport.

 

Keep shunning anyone and everyone that CJC opposes to. That'll sure help grow the sport! Yay!

 

Guess what? With your narrowminded view, the sport will NEVER grow.

Forget the super match ups like Burroughs v Chimizo.

NO ONE OUTSIDE OF WRESTLING KNOWS WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE!!! THEY COULD CARE LESS!!!

The ONLY people who care of about these types of matches are people who are ALREADY in the fanbase!


Edited by BigTenFanboy, 17 May 2018 - 01:18 AM.


#36 cjc007

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:15 AM

...so we should shun professional football players too who have died because of the same thing.

... or all our former wrestlers who have passed away in their real jobs for succumbing to the same issues with drug abuse and mental illness.

One of the WWE’s main talent scouts is a former Oklahoma State Cowboy who is always looking to bring in people from the college and international ranks.

If you don’t like it, that’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t make your stance any more right than those who have a different viewpoint. Most people who watch the WWE know exactly what they are getting.

And the NWHOF Dan Gable Museum has a wing for professional wrestling.


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We can agree to disagree, but I can't see pro wrestling fans suddenly becoming amatuer wrestling fans.

If so, amatuer wrestling would be the #2 sport in the South behind college football.

Why hasn't the South (NWA wrestling hot bed) embraced amatuer wrestling?



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#37 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:20 AM

We can agree to disagree, but I can't see pro wrestling fans suddenly becoming amatuer wrestling fans.

If so, amatuer wrestling would be the #2 sport in the South behind college football.

Why hasn't the South (NWA wrestling hot bed) embraced amatuer wrestling?



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Because of arrogant holier than thou people like you who shun them.

Why go somewhere that you will get shunned?

 

Wrestling needs ALL THE FANS IT CAN GET TO GROW

Shunning anyone is the stupidest thing ever.


Edited by BigTenFanboy, 17 May 2018 - 01:23 AM.


#38 JasonBryant

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:31 AM

1. Straw man - not something I’ve stated or argued in this thread.
2. Nice dig at people from the South.




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#39 IronChef

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:44 AM

cjc, if you're going to keep going on about this, you need to at least spell amateur correctly once or twice.



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:54 AM

Can we quit whining about every little thing? We applaud wrestlers in every profession EXCEPT this one - Flair was brought into the business by Verne Gagne - a wrestler from Minnesota who gave countless amateur wrestlers careers.

And we have a problem with that? Meh.

 

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