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Given Kyle Snyder and his great record - how would he roll with Cael if they went at it? Right now Cael is older and slower but - last Olympic cycle, maybe?

 

Snyder beats Varner but I don't think he would solve the Sanderson speed.

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Kyle is much bigger/stronger than Cael, even if Cael is in wrestling shape (which he probably isn't). I don't think it would be much of a match. Cael might keep it under a technical because he's a great wrestler, but that's about it.

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Cael does have a whole lot of NCAA team coaching titles, including this last one that I am sure Snyder and Tom Ryan convinced ESPN the Buckeyes would win. So Cael has at least that going for him.

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Carl surely in folk. I mean Snyder lost to MM who Carl was throttling even when he was older. Carl in free most of time. Snyder lost twice to an old gatsalov. Cael wrestled him in his prime and was beating him pretty good before freestyle skill lapse. I think Carl's learning curve was much higher level than Snyder. Carl just had other life goals. Snyder loves it which will make him the GOAT!

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I still think the highest skill level guys we have had were Gable and Sanderson. They retired at 24. Shame!

 

Gable highest skill level?   Guys like Schultz and Smith were on entirely different levels.  Guys like Zeke Jones were technicians.   I love Gable, but skills he was most proficient with were probably conditioning skills.   

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Gable highest skill level? Guys like Schultz and Smith were on entirely different levels. Guys like Zeke Jones were technicians. I love Gable, but skills he was most proficient with were probably conditioning skills.

Gable's conditioning and mental toughness were his world class traits. Technique not so much.

 

Lloyd Keaser (Gable's 1972 back up) who won world's in Iran (1973) technique was just as good as Gable's.

 

 

 

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Nothing about Lloyd was just as good as Gable

His World Championship is as good as Gable's.

 

He is an Olympic Silver medalist as well.

 

 

 

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Right now its a tech. lets get real. 

 

P4P in their prime? No evidence Cael can get it done. I will say for him that I think Cael's international career was not really emblematic of how great he was, I think he'd had enough pressure  to win and wanted to get his gold and go home. 

 

The reason Cael is in the discussion at all is because he is from my perspective the most...beautiful wrestler ever, but Snyder's strength is position....which is not as glamorous but it ultimately trumps everything else. 

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BY THE WAY, Cael may have had a completely different career if he had had the benefit of Snyders schedule. Cael also got screwed by the Worlds being held in Iran, and then being delayed by 9/11.

 

I could almost feel bad for him except for the fact that he should be making the same exception for his athletes and isn't doing it.

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BY THE WAY, Cael may have had a completely different career if he had had the benefit of Snyders schedule. Cael also got screwed by the Worlds being held in Iran, and then being delayed by 9/11.

 

I could almost feel bad for him except for the fact that he should be making the same exception for his athletes and isn't doing it.

Nah, I went to all those national and trial events when Ca el was competing FS. There was Ca el beating Simpson 9-0 on May 17 in Vegas. Ankle pick, do nothing, repeat 9 times. One try at a lace on the first TD and the end of that. He was obligated but not all that onto it. He hated the style. He was winning domestically because he was that much better. But mostly going through the motions. He made peace long enough to get a gold medal. Tried a comeback, showed well, but again, just did not like the style. It is a testament to his talent he got the gold but for him to actually put years toget her suggests a personality change which is of course absurd. With his wrestlers it is like with him, some years they are all in, others not so much.

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How can someone like Cael love folk so much and free so much? Have we ever had a Gold medalist like that? Good lord just imagine if Cael liked it like Snyder?

I never got it. The ankle pick to a lace seemed so fluid, and Ca el was probably the most fluid wrestler ever. He never got there. Even his gold medal year was more intense, but a grind not imposing his style. I know when he was at the various national stuff, while he always drew a crowd, he wasn't "superstar coming make way" but just another seriously good wrestler in a crowd that included world champions. He wasn't arrogant about it, but after all those years, just being a guy struggling a bit wasn't comfortable.

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FWIW, I think Caels attitude of making the sport fun for his wrestlers goes back to when it wasn't fun for him. Wrestling being fun, instead of some sort of boot camp rite of passage seems to be a good approach. Even the Brands brothers seem to have backed off the lose and go home thing, and develop and keep things in perspective. Gable did too but people only think of him as a grind style. Exhibit A the Williams brothers did not grind.

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Nah, I went to all those national and trial events when Ca el was competing FS. There was Ca el beating Simpson 9-0 on May 17 in Vegas. Ankle pick, do nothing, repeat 9 times. One try at a lace on the first TD and the end of that. He was obligated but not all that onto it. He hated the style. He was winning domestically because he was that much better. But mostly going through the motions. He made peace long enough to get a gold medal. Tried a comeback, showed well, but again, just did not like the style. It is a testament to his talent he got the gold but for him to actually put years toget her suggests a personality change which is of course absurd. With his wrestlers it is like with him, some years they are all in, others not so much.

 

you said "na" and then agreed with me. 

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Well this actually may be difficult because I think we have yet to see the best version of Kyle yet. I believe that he is better now than he was in 2015, and I think he will continue to get better.

 

One thing is clear though, is that both Cael and Kyle have beaten some of the World's best in achieving their success.

 

As far as Cael is concerned, I believe that initially he was not enjoying the same level success on the Senior level that he did on the collegiate level. I think that Cael knew that in in order to reach the top of the Senior level, he had to push himself far beyond anything he had ever done before. I believe that he spent endless hours of toiling and training in preparation of the 2004 Olympics, and when he finally reached the top of that mountain and received his gold medal, he was probably spent.

Now maybe someone can ask him, or maybe he has already asked about this, but I think it would be interesting to hear his insights of this portion of his career.

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