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#1 WillieBoy

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 01:58 AM

Given Kyle Snyder and his great record - how would he roll with Cael if they went at it? Right now Cael is older and slower but - last Olympic cycle, maybe?

 

Snyder beats Varner but I don't think he would solve the Sanderson speed.



#2 Alwayswrestling

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 02:17 AM

Right now? I don’t think Cael would score 8 or 9 to zip.
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#3 Perry

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:23 AM

Ah this topic is back. Give me Snyder now over any version of Cael. He is a superior talent, not to dig on the Professor.


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:38 AM

Kyle is much bigger/stronger than Cael, even if Cael is in wrestling shape (which he probably isn't). I don't think it would be much of a match. Cael might keep it under a technical because he's a great wrestler, but that's about it.


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#5 TBar1977

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:07 AM

Cael does have a whole lot of NCAA team coaching titles, including this last one that I am sure Snyder and Tom Ryan convinced ESPN the Buckeyes would win. So Cael has at least that going for him.

Penn State - NCAA Champions 7 of the last 8 Years


#6 WildTurkey44

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 04:48 AM

If they went at it right now? Snyder by knockout
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Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:34 AM

Carl doesn't wrestle freestyle.

This thread belongs in the age group/college forum. lol

Along with: "who would win a bout between Werewolf vs Dracula?"

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#8 PRyan2012

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:04 AM

Carl surely in folk. I mean Snyder lost to MM who Carl was throttling even when he was older. Carl in free most of time. Snyder lost twice to an old gatsalov. Cael wrestled him in his prime and was beating him pretty good before freestyle skill lapse. I think Carl's learning curve was much higher level than Snyder. Carl just had other life goals. Snyder loves it which will make him the GOAT!

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:07 AM

I still think the highest skill level guys we have had were Gable and Sanderson. They retired at 24. Shame!
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Posted 28 May 2018 - 07:31 AM

I still think the highest skill level guys we have had were Gable and Sanderson. They retired at 24. Shame!

 

Gable highest skill level?   Guys like Schultz and Smith were on entirely different levels.  Guys like Zeke Jones were technicians.   I love Gable, but skills he was most proficient with were probably conditioning skills.   


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 08:59 AM

Gable highest skill level? Guys like Schultz and Smith were on entirely different levels. Guys like Zeke Jones were technicians. I love Gable, but skills he was most proficient with were probably conditioning skills.

Gable's conditioning and mental toughness were his world class traits. Technique not so much.

Lloyd Keaser (Gable's 1972 back up) who won world's in Iran (1973) technique was just as good as Gable's.



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#12 WildTurkey44

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:01 AM

Nothing about Lloyd was just as good as Gable
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Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:02 AM

Nothing about Lloyd was just as good as Gable

His World Championship is as good as Gable's.

He is an Olympic Silver medalist as well.



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#14 hammerlockthree

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:03 AM

Right now its a tech. lets get real. 

 

P4P in their prime? No evidence Cael can get it done. I will say for him that I think Cael's international career was not really emblematic of how great he was, I think he'd had enough pressure  to win and wanted to get his gold and go home. 

 

The reason Cael is in the discussion at all is because he is from my perspective the most...beautiful wrestler ever, but Snyder's strength is position....which is not as glamorous but it ultimately trumps everything else. 


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#15 hammerlockthree

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:06 AM

BY THE WAY, Cael may have had a completely different career if he had had the benefit of Snyders schedule. Cael also got screwed by the Worlds being held in Iran, and then being delayed by 9/11.

 

I could almost feel bad for him except for the fact that he should be making the same exception for his athletes and isn't doing it.



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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:07 AM

Now a Snyder tech, in Carl's prime a Snyder tech. They are in different weight classes.

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#17 sgallan

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:16 AM

BY THE WAY, Cael may have had a completely different career if he had had the benefit of Snyders schedule. Cael also got screwed by the Worlds being held in Iran, and then being delayed by 9/11.

I could almost feel bad for him except for the fact that he should be making the same exception for his athletes and isn't doing it.

Nah, I went to all those national and trial events when Ca el was competing FS. There was Ca el beating Simpson 9-0 on May 17 in Vegas. Ankle pick, do nothing, repeat 9 times. One try at a lace on the first TD and the end of that. He was obligated but not all that onto it. He hated the style. He was winning domestically because he was that much better. But mostly going through the motions. He made peace long enough to get a gold medal. Tried a comeback, showed well, but again, just did not like the style. It is a testament to his talent he got the gold but for him to actually put years toget her suggests a personality change which is of course absurd. With his wrestlers it is like with him, some years they are all in, others not so much.

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:29 AM

Gable beat Keaser something like 22-0 and 23-0 I am thinking his technique was pretty darn good. To think other wise is plain ignorant!

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:33 AM

How can someone like Cael love folk so much and free so much? Have we ever had a Gold medalist like that? Good lord just imagine if Cael liked it like Snyder?

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

How can someone like Cael love folk so much and free so much? Have we ever had a Gold medalist like that? Good lord just imagine if Cael liked it like Snyder?

I never got it. The ankle pick to a lace seemed so fluid, and Ca el was probably the most fluid wrestler ever. He never got there. Even his gold medal year was more intense, but a grind not imposing his style. I know when he was at the various national stuff, while he always drew a crowd, he wasn't "superstar coming make way" but just another seriously good wrestler in a crowd that included world champions. He wasn't arrogant about it, but after all those years, just being a guy struggling a bit wasn't comfortable.




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