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Best club in the Nation! Coaches are doing a great job developing those kids!

 

Doing a great job developing or doing a great job recruiting!  

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Tons of teams in for this event but agree it’s pretty lobsided when a few teams are calling in multiple state title hired guns from all sides do the country to ensure a deep run and other teams are lucky enough to get state qualifiers from their local area. With that many teams competing they could easily do something similar to Disney Duals. Have a all-star division where you have kids from multiple states and the teams that want to recruit nationwide talent can battle it out. And then a state division (yeah I know DD is school district) where at least everyone has to come from the same state. Sure some teams will still be packed with home state talent but most wont be near to the degree of these all-state teams. Plus, if you feel your state teams up for the challenge they could enter the all-star division.

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Tons of teams in for this event but agree it’s pretty lobsided when a few teams are calling in multiple state title hired guns from all sides do the country to ensure a deep run and other teams are lucky enough to get state qualifiers from their local area. With that many teams competing they could easily do something similar to Disney Duals. Have a all-star division where you have kids from multiple states and the teams that want to recruit nationwide talent can battle it out. And then a state division (yeah I know DD is school district) where at least everyone has to come from the same state. Sure some teams will still be packed with home state talent but most wont be near to the degree of these all-state teams. Plus, if you feel your state teams up for the challenge they could enter the all-star division.

The All-Star division at the Disney Duals has a restriction of three wrestlers from an adjoining district(mostly a state) on each All-Star team. So thus the type of all star teams at NHSCA's cannot be put together at Disney.

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Any national dual meet tournament that isn't handily won by a club or team from Pennsylvania or Illinois should be immediate cause for skepticism.  The only people who should get any pride out of "Team Kong" winning its 3x "national championship" are the ones who organize the team.  It's just some good matches for top level kids...no team pride or state bragging rights in an event like this.

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Team Gladiator Sword finished 7/8.  It's a club west of Pittsburgh.

Looking at the roster, They all go to local nearby high schools.

I'm pretty sure all of them train there.

 

That's what I'm talking about.  More impressive to me than "Team Kong".

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As someone who is from Long Island and knows the organizers, I just want to come to their defense a little bit.

While no one is using this as a sign of bragging rights or NY superiority, I want to dispel any belief that these are just 14 kids who are working independent of each other.

 

They may come from different states, but by the end of the weekend, they are very much a "team" in terms of support for one another and lasting relationships.

 

I was just on the Kong facebook page and saw that Kanen Storr had taken the time to congratulate this year's team.   Last weekend, Gannon Gremmel was wishing the boys the best of luck.   Sammy Evans is also a frequent contributor to the page.  

So, I do concur that the title itself is not as special as when you do it with a hometown group of student-athletes.  But the experience of being a team is very much alive within the Kong system.  

Hope that makes some sense and does not sound too sappy.

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As someone who is from Long Island and knows the organizers, I just want to come to their defense a little bit.

 

While no one is using this as a sign of bragging rights or NY superiority, I want to dispel any belief that these are just 14 kids who are working independent of each other.

 

They may come from different states, but by the end of the weekend, they are very much a "team" in terms of support for one another and lasting relationships.

 

I was just on the Kong facebook page and saw that Kanen Storr had taken the time to congratulate this year's team. Last weekend, Gannon Gremmel was wishing the boys the best of luck. Sammy Evans is also a frequent contributor to the page.

 

So, I do concur that the title itself is not as special as when you do it with a hometown group of student-athletes. But the experience of being a team is very much alive within the Kong system.

 

Hope that makes some sense and does not sound too sappy.

You sound ridiculous. “By the end of the weekend, these kids are a team.”.

No they aren’t. They’re acquaintances who loaded a team and wion an event.

A team trains and competes together over significant periods of time.

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You sound ridiculous. “By the end of the weekend, these kids are a team.”.

No they aren’t. They’re acquaintances who loaded a team and wion an event.

A team trains and competes together over significant periods of time.

 

Kinda like Team USA!

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As someone who is from Long Island and knows the organizers, I just want to come to their defense a little bit.

 

While no one is using this as a sign of bragging rights or NY superiority, I want to dispel any belief that these are just 14 kids who are working independent of each other.

 

They may come from different states, but by the end of the weekend, they are very much a "team" in terms of support for one another and lasting relationships.

 

I was just on the Kong facebook page and saw that Kanen Storr had taken the time to congratulate this year's team.   Last weekend, Gannon Gremmel was wishing the boys the best of luck.   Sammy Evans is also a frequent contributor to the page.  

 

So, I do concur that the title itself is not as special as when you do it with a hometown group of student-athletes.  But the experience of being a team is very much alive within the Kong system.  

 

Hope that makes some sense and does not sound too sappy.

GTFOH

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I am not sure what the hell you guys are looking for. 

 

I acknowledged that the win was not the same as when you do it with local kids and that no one should be taking credit for it.

 

Instead of being assholes with keyboard, why don't you ask one of the kids themselves if they felt like hired help, or if the organizers promoted a team environment?

My comment was not even about wins or losses; it was about attitude and the level of support they gave to each other.  And how it appears that a lot of the guys who come from other states seem to enjoy the experience and stay in contact with each other after the fact.   

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Again, I was not talking about the results....I am not sure that can be made any more clear.  NO ONE should be bragging about the win. 

 

All I was saying is that I didn't want it believed that the kids were all out for themselves.   The behaved like a team and picked each other up.  

 

And that guy "who can't coach" had two of his own HS kids on the team and they combined to go something like 19-1....And one of them is a 4x State Champion/3x Super 32 Champion and ranked top-5 in the country.  So he must be doing something right.

 

We're talking different languages.  You're focusing on winning with a team of ringers.  I am conceding that the title has little value, but choosing to also give credit for at least promoting a a team culture.    

 

I was dispelling any notion that they fly in, win and then never talk to anyone again...Friendships are made and for the most part, the event organizers continue to promote/stay in touch with the kids who represent the organization.

Was it a stacked deck?  Totally; no one debates that; but it also wasn't 17 independent contractors.   They worked together on a common goal and supported each other.  To me, it makes them a team. 

Either way, I have better things to do then go back and forth on this.  I am assuming you do too; so agree to disagree and move on.  

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As someone who is from Long Island and knows the organizers, I just want to come to their defense a little bit.

 

While no one is using this as a sign of bragging rights or NY superiority, I want to dispel any belief that these are just 14 kids who are working independent of each other.

 

They may come from different states, but by the end of the weekend, they are very much a "team" in terms of support for one another and lasting relationships.

 

I was just on the Kong facebook page and saw that Kanen Storr had taken the time to congratulate this year's team.   Last weekend, Gannon Gremmel was wishing the boys the best of luck.   Sammy Evans is also a frequent contributor to the page.  

 

So, I do concur that the title itself is not as special as when you do it with a hometown group of student-athletes.  But the experience of being a team is very much alive within the Kong system.  

 

Hope that makes some sense and does not sound too sappy.

This

 

The great coaching keeps the kids coming back

 

Isn't the one guy Kyle Dake's personal coach?

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"And that guy "who can't coach" had two of his own HS kids on the team and they combined to go something like 19-1....And one of them is a 4x State Champion/3x Super 32 Champion and ranked top-5 in the country.  So he must be doing something right.'

 

Then why can't he put together a true team full of local kids?

 

But I agree, I'm done with this.

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This

 

The great coaching keeps the kids coming back

 

Isn't the one guy Kyle Dake's personal coach?

My wife could have taken that team and won.... Has nothing to do with coaching.

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