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#21 Hofman19

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 06:49 AM

Again, I was not talking about the results....I am not sure that can be made any more clear.  NO ONE should be bragging about the win. 

 

All I was saying is that I didn't want it believed that the kids were all out for themselves.   The behaved like a team and picked each other up.  

 

And that guy "who can't coach" had two of his own HS kids on the team and they combined to go something like 19-1....And one of them is a 4x State Champion/3x Super 32 Champion and ranked top-5 in the country.  So he must be doing something right.

 

We're talking different languages.  You're focusing on winning with a team of ringers.  I am conceding that the title has little value, but choosing to also give credit for at least promoting a a team culture.    

 

I was dispelling any notion that they fly in, win and then never talk to anyone again...Friendships are made and for the most part, the event organizers continue to promote/stay in touch with the kids who represent the organization.

Was it a stacked deck?  Totally; no one debates that; but it also wasn't 17 independent contractors.   They worked together on a common goal and supported each other.  To me, it makes them a team. 

Either way, I have better things to do then go back and forth on this.  I am assuming you do too; so agree to disagree and move on.  


Edited by Hofman19, 02 June 2018 - 06:59 AM.


#22 GuillermoBilletas

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 06:58 AM

As someone who is from Long Island and knows the organizers, I just want to come to their defense a little bit.

While no one is using this as a sign of bragging rights or NY superiority, I want to dispel any belief that these are just 14 kids who are working independent of each other.

 

They may come from different states, but by the end of the weekend, they are very much a "team" in terms of support for one another and lasting relationships.

 

I was just on the Kong facebook page and saw that Kanen Storr had taken the time to congratulate this year's team.   Last weekend, Gannon Gremmel was wishing the boys the best of luck.   Sammy Evans is also a frequent contributor to the page.  

So, I do concur that the title itself is not as special as when you do it with a hometown group of student-athletes.  But the experience of being a team is very much alive within the Kong system.  

Hope that makes some sense and does not sound too sappy.

This

 

The great coaching keeps the kids coming back

 

Isn't the one guy Kyle Dake's personal coach?



#23 Hofman19

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 07:01 AM

Isn't the one guy Kyle Dake's personal coach?

 

 

Nick is his agent/public relations representative.   I believe he fills the same role for Helen Maroulis.



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Posted 02 June 2018 - 08:27 AM


"And that guy "who can't coach" had two of his own HS kids on the team and they combined to go something like 19-1....And one of them is a 4x State Champion/3x Super 32 Champion and ranked top-5 in the country.  So he must be doing something right.'

 

Then why can't he put together a true team full of local kids?

 

But I agree, I'm done with this.


Edited by HokieHWT, 02 June 2018 - 08:28 AM.


#25 HokieHWT

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 08:29 AM

This

 

The great coaching keeps the kids coming back

 

Isn't the one guy Kyle Dake's personal coach?

My wife could have taken that team and won.... Has nothing to do with coaching.



#26 Hofman19

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 08:51 AM

"And that guy "who can't coach" had two of his own HS kids on the team and they combined to go something like 19-1....And one of them is a 4x State Champion/3x Super 32 Champion and ranked top-5 in the country.  So he must be doing something right.'

 

Then why can't he put together a true team full of local kids?

 

 

It's a fair question and I am glad we are able to discuss it like adults (sorry for the a-hole comment).  

I can tell you that when Kong first started, it was an entirely local team and did fairly well (runners-up at Disney in 2013, 3rd in 2014).

Even the team that lost to YG Black in 2015 at NHSCA was majority LI, with a few scattered NYers.

It's really only been the last three years that the roster has begun to shift towards more of a nationally recruited all-star team.

To answer you question to the best of my ability, I think it is either lack of interest or lack of availability.....The NY school year notoriously runs very late, which is why we always struggle to field teams for USAW. Cadet and Junior duals 

The talent is there to have a decent (maybe not title winning) team that would hold their own.  

If all of the top kids were available, my guess is that the line-up would resemble this:

106: 2x State runner-up/Cadet FS All-American Jordan Titus....Was a back-up on this year's team
113: 3x State Champion/former Super 32 runner-up, Greg Diakomihalis
120: Same as before----Redding
126: Same as before----Busiello
132: Same as before----Sciotto
138: Same as before--- Vines
145: 2018 State runner-up, Anthony Sobotker
152: 5x NYS Champion/Cadet World Bronze medalist, Jacori Teemer
160: 3x NYS finalist/2018 Champion, Jake Silverstein
170: Same----Cuomo
182: 2018 State Champion/Cadet FS runner-up, Jacob Logan
195: 2018 State Champion/NHSCA Senior National Champion, Jonathan Loew
220: 2018 State Champion/Beast of the East 5th (or 6th), Elijah Rodriguez
285: Same----Wilson.

With the exception of Diakomihalis, that is an entirely downstate team with 11 coming from Long Island.


Edited by Hofman19, 02 June 2018 - 08:57 AM.


#27 paboom

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 09:50 AM

Could care less if they win or if they lose but they are not a club unless they own private jets and helicopters to get them to practices in a timely manner.

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#28 GuillermoBilletas

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 02:00 PM

Nick is his agent/public relations representative.   I believe he fills the same role for Helen Maroulis.

Guy is a stud coach.  i think he has a kid or two that don;t live in his district that have moved to his team to be coached by him.  one is penn state recruit.

 

probably the best coach on long island which is a historically strong area


Edited by GuillermoBilletas, 02 June 2018 - 02:01 PM.


#29 ConnorsDad

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 04:21 PM

Best club in the Nation! Coaches are doing a great job developing those kids!


God I hope you're being facetious!

#30 superbowlhomeboy

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Posted 03 June 2018 - 12:30 AM

God I hope you're being facetious!


No way! #HomeGrown

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#31 papride

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:39 AM

Are we forgetting about LImarty!?!






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