There are clearly 3 programs, Oklahoma State, Iowa and Penn State which have separated themselves from the field. I humbly suggest that Oklahoma, Iowa State, Minnesota and Ohio State, which all have multiple team titles themselves, qualify as our 2nd group. I began wrestling in Oklahoma just after the Oklahoma State decades of dominance. I have been lucky enough to have spoken to some of the Oklahoma greats about how dominant OSU was back in their incredible decades of dominance. Like it or not, that was in a time when you could hold a man down flat on his stomach with a heel trapped forever and collect multiple points for riding. (you could still get 2 rt points when I began) The rules were changed to neutralize the Pokes early on in our sport. They had 28 titles by the time I wrestled there in the 70's, and I would love it if some of you are able to remember those teams, just before my time. I first followed the Kellers, Fuji, Arneson, Steve Randall, and every OSU team since. I watched all of Coach Gable's teams. I thought they were best when JRob was his assistant, but either way, they are the gold standard of what I've seen in 47 years of following the sport. In my opinion what Cael is doing is on par with those teams from the mid-80's. Brands, Steiners, Alger, Banachs, Lewis. I admired what Iowa did, but getting style points was getting old by the time we began incorporating scrambling back in the 90's. When Cael was at Iowa State, I felt he immediately had the whole team in better position and hand fighting skills, but it seemed like they had less offense than the OSU/Iowa guys did back then. The marriage of Cael and Penn State has been magical. They are one of my favorite teams to watch. The Lions have had their share of superstar teams and individuals the last decade. We are truly lucky to get to witness this. I know some are sick of this topic, but any comments comparing these 3 great dynasties would interest me at least.