Jump to content


Photo

Final X format — current critique


  • Please log in to reply
97 replies to this topic

#1 nom

nom

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 2,898 posts

Posted 06 June 2018 - 05:30 AM

Now that we are at the doorstep of the first final X bouts it seems that there is a general vibe going that splitting into 3 different dates / events isn’t preferred.

I’m frankly suffering from some fatigue given all the events. I get a family pass at times but given the Open, the challenge tourney, junior WTT, U23 / cadets ... the calendar has been full. Now three more weekends with events. Having so many seems to diminish the awesomeness.

Why not have all of final X on one weekend? One location.

I am liking the event happening separate from WTT challenge tourney. Decent build up and anticipation. Feeling it is more fair for all.

Feedback welcome. Other critiques?
  • gowrestle and Peso like this

#2 2td3nf

2td3nf

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,569 posts

Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:30 AM

I agree with Jason Bryant's approach - let's wait and see how it goes.

But so far, I think this new system pretty much ensures the best wrestler more so than the old system. Also remember how many people were complaining that all challengers had to win the WTT bracket that day only to face a fresh and rested returning medalist for best of 3 that very same night. Well, that's gone now. Plus like CP said on Flo radio, it's more of a freestyle "season" now.

As far as the 3 different dates at 3 different locations, I am really looking forward to these 3 consecutive Saturday nights on Flo at home. Heck, for the first one in Nebraska I think I'll go with Jordan Burroughs' favorite food - fresh hot NY pizza and hot Buffalo wings. Gonna go with ice cold Heinekens too. :D

Anyway, I guess some of the big questions will be the attendance at each and how the athletes and coaches like 3 different dates and locations. Also the wrestling media has to travel 3 weeks in a row so it'll be interesting to hear Jason's take on it as well as the Flo guys on their road trip in the van.

Again, we'll see how it goes and pretty sure there will be enough feedback after the events to see what needs to be tweaked or changed.
  • Peso likes this

#3 BigTenFanboy

BigTenFanboy

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 4,946 posts

Posted 06 June 2018 - 12:23 PM

I agree with Jason Bryant's approach - let's wait and see how it goes.But so far, I think this new system pretty much ensures the best wrestler more so than the old system. Also remember how many people were complaining that all challengers had to win the WTT bracket that day only to face a fresh and rested returning medalist for best of 3 that very same night. Well, that's gone now. Plus like CP said on Flo radio, it's more of a freestyle "season" now.As far as the 3 different dates at 3 different locations, I am really looking forward to these 3 consecutive Saturday nights on Flo at home. Heck, for the first one in Nebraska I think I'll go with Jordan Burroughs' favorite food - fresh hot NY pizza and hot Buffalo wings. Gonna go with ice cold Heinekens too. :DAnyway, I guess some of the big questions will be the attendance at each and how the athletes and coaches like 3 different dates and locations. Also the wrestling media has to travel 3 weeks in a row so it'll be interesting to hear Jason's take on it as well as the Flo guys on their road trip in the van.Again, we'll see how it goes and pretty sure there will be enough feedback after the events to see what needs to be tweaked or changed.


Dont forget the pepperoni. Burroughs loves pepperoni! Milkshakes too! He loves milkshakes!

Edited by BigTenFanboy, 06 June 2018 - 12:23 PM.

  • 2td3nf likes this

#4 Ogalthorpe Haywood

Ogalthorpe Haywood

    Bronze Member

  • Members
  • 179 posts

Posted 06 June 2018 - 01:06 PM

I agree with Jason Bryant’s thinking let’s not jump to any conclusions before the final product is done. I’ll judge in a few weeks

#5 hammerlockthree

hammerlockthree

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 3,440 posts

Posted 06 June 2018 - 01:18 PM

 I think final X is a great idea. I am personally willing to binge watch the WTTs, as are most of you (accept for tbar who doesn't really watch the matches), but growing the sport is the name of the game. 


  • Billyhoyle likes this

#6 GockeS

GockeS

    Bronze Member

  • Members
  • 650 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 12:15 AM

too busy?

i always thot mat time was the key...



#7 IronChef

IronChef

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,838 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 01:49 AM

Best reason to go to Final X is so you don't have to listen to the Flo announcing team.


  • jon, cjc007, tbert and 3 others like this

#8 2td3nf

2td3nf

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,569 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 02:45 AM

Best reason to go to Final X is so you don't have to listen to the Flo announcing team.


Well I'm looking forward to the Flo announcing team and the whole Flo production of Final X. Maybe they're not perfect but I totally appreciate what they do and I think they are knowledgeable and passionate for our sport.
  • Peso likes this

#9 steamboat_charlie

steamboat_charlie

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,148 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 03:58 AM

Best reason to go to Final X is so you don't have to listen to the Flo announcing team.

 

I can live stream my commentary from my couch if you'd like.  Commentary will mostly consist of me complaining about officials and telling wrestlers what they should be doing, as if I know better than both them and their coaches.  There will also be a lot of WHAT IS HE DOING?!?'s.  


  • Yellow_Medal, jcjcjc and Peso like this

#10 wrestlingphish

wrestlingphish

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,457 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 06:07 AM

I can live stream my commentary from my couch if you'd like.  Commentary will mostly consist of me complaining about officials and telling wrestlers what they should be doing, as if I know better than both them and their coaches.  There will also be a lot of WHAT IS HE DOING?!?'s.  

 

Is that you dad?


  • tclark, steamboat_charlie, Yellow_Medal and 1 other like this

#11 IronChef

IronChef

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,838 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 06:13 AM

I can live stream my commentary from my couch if you'd like.  Commentary will mostly consist of me complaining about officials and telling wrestlers what they should be doing, as if I know better than both them and their coaches.  There will also be a lot of WHAT IS HE DOING?!?'s.  

If that was offered as an alternate audio stream, I'd tune in for at least a little while.

 

To be clear, I love Flo and am happy to send them money every month. Their stream quality is great these days, and the ability to view more events than previously possible is outstanding. They are passionate, hardworking people, and I would never argue otherwise. My only complaint is that their commentary for big events is not very good.


  • steamboat_charlie likes this

#12 Gantry

Gantry

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 5,475 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 06:28 AM

Bader and Pyles is a quality team, they work well together. 



#13 Alwayswrestling

Alwayswrestling

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 9,935 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 07:11 AM

I like the format other than three different locations. The three locations is a terrible idea IMO but not surprised that USA Wrestling came up with this idea.

Edited by Alwayswrestling, 07 June 2018 - 07:11 AM.

  • silver and cjc007 like this

#14 jcjcjc

jcjcjc

    Bronze Member

  • Members
  • 139 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 07:18 AM

I can live stream my commentary from my couch if you'd like.  Commentary will mostly consist of me complaining about officials and telling wrestlers what they should be doing, as if I know better than both them and their coaches.  There will also be a lot of WHAT IS HE DOING?!?'s.  

 

I think we should all record ourselves watching matches, so we can rewatch them and critique our comments and behavior. The behavior changes would probably help retain new wrestling fans in the future. 



#15 Lurker

Lurker

    Bronze Member

  • Members
  • 495 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 07:55 AM

Well I'm looking forward to the Flo announcing team and the whole Flo production of Final X. Maybe they're not perfect but I totally appreciate what they do and I think they are knowledgeable and passionate for our sport.


How dare you defect from people’s entitlement to see the worst in everything and gripe and compain about whatever they can scratch up. Don’t you realize we’re in the 2010’s here in America!!??
  • 2td3nf and BigTenFanboy like this

#16 Billyhoyle

Billyhoyle

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 3,278 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 08:26 AM

How dare you defect from people’s entitlement to see the worst in everything and gripe and compain about whatever they can scratch up. Don’t you realize we’re in the 2010’s here in America!!??

When you pay for a streaming service, I don't think it's ridiculous to request that the announcers of those events actually call the matches instead of screaming the entire time/saying ridiculous things.  I also don't think it's a problem to complain when the stream stops working. 


Edited by Billyhoyle, 07 June 2018 - 08:26 AM.

  • Alwayswrestling, jon, cjc007 and 2 others like this

#17 lu1979

lu1979

    Bronze Member

  • Members
  • 576 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:24 AM

Best reason to go to Final X is so you don't have to listen to the Flo announcing team.

The mute button can fix that - although personally, I like most of the Flo announcers - I use the mute a lot when multiple mats are going and I don't want to hear spoilers on matches I haven't seen yet.



#18 steamboat_charlie

steamboat_charlie

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,148 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:35 AM

Bader and Pyles aren't perfect but it's not like we have a bench full of A+ commentators just sitting on the sidelines. Who's the alternative? 


  • Yellow_Medal likes this

#19 Gantry

Gantry

    Gold Member

  • Members
  • 5,475 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:48 AM

actually call the matches instead of screaming the entire time/saying ridiculous things.

 

Yeah they don't do that...  People keep clinging onto the "obnoxious screaming Flo announcers" thing but that was ages ago.  Back in the day they were over the top but now Bader, Nomad, Pyles, etc do a good job calling the matches.  Are they 100% polished Bob Costas guys?  No, they may get a little pumped some times but certainly less than a Kevin Harlan or Gus Johnson.

 

They are knowledgeable and by and large do fine.  Can we stop with this screaming announcers false narrative? 


  • LoStNuMbEr, wrestlingphish and 2td3nf like this

#20 2td3nf

2td3nf

    Silver Member

  • Members
  • 1,569 posts

Posted 07 June 2018 - 11:58 AM

Yeah they don't do that...  People keep clinging onto the "obnoxious screaming Flo announcers" thing but that was ages ago.  Back in the day they were over the top but now Bader, Nomad, Pyles, etc do a good job calling the matches.  Are they 100% polished Bob Costas guys?  No, they may get a little pumped some times but certainly less than a Kevin Harlan or Gus Johnson.
 
They are knowledgeable and by and large do fine.  Can we stop with this screaming announcers false narrative?


I agree. And yes, Bader was very loud in the beginning and I think many remember that. But IMO he is much more polished now. Pretty sure Bader was with Flo from the beginning.

Totally enjoy Bader, CP, Nomad, Willie, Kyle, Ryan, Mike and all the guys, even Jaroslav. :D

They are pioneers in our sport.

Edited by 2td3nf, 07 June 2018 - 12:00 PM.





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users