Some guys have something "special".

[Peso 331]

Some guys have a knack for finishing the deal, when it means the most.  I've seen them in wrestling, especially coaching, and I've seen it in pool rooms watching the short stops and the pros play.  Some guys just simply over perform when the cash is on the line.  Some guys find another gear...they have IT.  IT.   To me, it was John and Kenny, and Pat and Lee Roy, and Mike and Johnny Jake and the Kellers, and Fujita and Pat M, and Cael and the list goes on and on.  Penn State and Cornell certainly have their share, as do the Hawkeyes, and a few others.  Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Snyder are my heroes, but the job is still hiring.  I've seen all of them since 1972 I guess.  This team, as great as it is, will be in an all out battle with at least two other serious contenders...you can't make this stuff up.

 

 

[Mokoma 326]

What in the serious F are you even talking about.

[hammerlockthree 2,635]

He is talking about the painfully naive, gross, fan mentality based theory that some people are sprinkled with magic winner dust. 

[Cooch1 147]

I think he's a fantastic fan, really psyched about next year, and all previous years, to 1972.

[rstrong 75]

Some guys have a knack for finishing the deal, when it means the most.  I've seen them in wrestling, especially coaching, and I've seen it in pool rooms watching the short stops and the pros play.  Some guys just simply over perform when the cash is on the line.  Some guys find another gear...they have IT.  IT.   To me, it was John and Kenny, and Pat and Lee Roy, and Mike and Johnny Jake and the Kellers, and Fujita and Pat M, and Cael and the list goes on and on.  Penn State and Cornell certainly have their share, as do the Hawkeyes, and a few others.  Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Snyder are my heroes, but the job is still hiring.  I've seen all of them since 1972 I guess.  This team, as great as it is, will be in an all out battle with at least two other serious contenders...you can't make this stuff up.

 

Couldn't agree more - Like the best of the best, Penn State has always come up big when it matters - but it's a new year this fall and the battles will begin all over again. Maybe we will have a new set of heroes...

 

However it shakes out, in all likelihood, it's going to be one of the best seasons in wrestling history.

 

Thanks for your post, Peso.

Edited July 11, 2018 by rstrong

[gowrestle 689]

No magic in winning. It’s innate athleticism, skill acquisition, and hard work. The impact of coaching is more relevant at the younger levels. Sometimes luck plays a role.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited July 11, 2018 by gowrestle

[steamboat_charlie 727]

Peso got into the whiskey a little early yesterday, huh?

[steamboat_charlie 727]

He is talking about the painfully naive, gross, fan mentality based theory that some people are sprinkled with magic winner dust. 

 

There's no doubt some guys perform better under pressure than others.  IMO the "painfully naive, gross, fan mentality" is the idea that their guy won because he "wanted it more." 

[TobusRex 2,108]

I've seen it first hand too, Peso. Some guys just know how to bring it when it matters, when the whole enchilada is on the line.

[NJWC 305]

What in the serious F are you even talking about.

Lol

 

 

I think he's a fantastic fan, really psyched about next year, and all previous years, to 1972.

I agree.  Nothing wrong with a little positive enthusiasm around here. 

 

There's no doubt some guys perform better under pressure than others.  IMO the "painfully naive, gross, fan mentality" is the idea that their guy won because he "wanted it more." 

I'm always amazed at how well certain athletes handle pressure.  Watching something like the US Open or The Masters in golf, with these guys holding it together for four straight days when one bad shot would spell disaster, is incredible.

[hammerlockthree 2,635]

its how they train

[denger 363]

its how they train

 

I agree, that's most of it. But I think there's something about faith that takes a few people further. 

 

I think athleticism at the highest level is razor thin when comparing champs too - obviously different athletes have different natural gifts, which leads to some wrestlers being better matched against some than others.  Although, I've heard Zain described as "not particularly athletic, just hard nosed and determined", which makes me happy to be wrong about this.

 

Back to that point about faith - When I look at Burroughs and Snyder, I do see them as having an unusual level of belief in their ability to perform. Maybe that's just what they exude. Maybe it's only observable because of their success. But the "All I See Is Gold" thing worked out great for JB. And I stand by my thoughts on Snyder from a few years ago, that he had no business going out there and beating the world...until he proved us all wrong! 

I'm pretty sure religious faith supports that greater than faith. I suspect that an atheist would be way to logical to beat someone who thinks it's their destiny. 

[PhiferFuqua 187]

What in the serious F are you even talking about.

 

Harsh.

 

 

 

But funny.

[TBar1977 4,532]

I agree, that's most of it. But I think there's something about faith that takes a few people further. 

 

I think athleticism at the highest level is razor thin when comparing champs too - obviously different athletes have different natural gifts, which leads to some wrestlers being better matched against some than others.  Although, I've heard Zain described as "not particularly athletic, just hard nosed and determined", which makes me happy to be wrong about this.

 

Back to that point about faith - When I look at Burroughs and Snyder, I do see them as having an unusual level of belief in their ability to perform. Maybe that's just what they exude. Maybe it's only observable because of their success. But the "All I See Is Gold" thing worked out great for JB. And I stand by my thoughts on Snyder from a few years ago, that he had no business going out there and beating the world...until he proved us all wrong! 

I'm pretty sure religious faith supports that greater than faith. I suspect that an atheist would be way to logical to beat someone who thinks it's their destiny. 

 

 

I have heard Nolf say on three occasions that he never thinks he will lose. That is some strong belief. 

[jchapman 1,330]

I agree, that's most of it. But I think there's something about faith that takes a few people further. 

 

I think athleticism at the highest level is razor thin when comparing champs too - obviously different athletes have different natural gifts, which leads to some wrestlers being better matched against some than others.  Although, I've heard Zain described as "not particularly athletic, just hard nosed and determined", which makes me happy to be wrong about this.

 

Back to that point about faith - When I look at Burroughs and Snyder, I do see them as having an unusual level of belief in their ability to perform. Maybe that's just what they exude. Maybe it's only observable because of their success. But the "All I See Is Gold" thing worked out great for JB. And I stand by my thoughts on Snyder from a few years ago, that he had no business going out there and beating the world...until he proved us all wrong! 

I'm pretty sure religious faith supports that greater than faith. I suspect that an atheist would be way to logical to beat someone who thinks it's their destiny. 

You can be atheist and believe in yourself.  In fact, atheists tend to believe in themselves over all else.

[BigBrog 43]

It is called mental toughness.  It is really simple to see who has it and who doesn't, but really difficult to teach yourself to be mentally tough if you aren't naturally.

 

I had the physical and athletic and technical skill to be a multiple time state champ...but had the mental capacity of a nat...aka, no state titles...couldn't win the big matches...mentally folded.

[steamboat_charlie 727]

It is called mental toughness.  It is really simple to see who has it and who doesn't, but really difficult to teach yourself to be mentally tough if you aren't naturally.

 

I had the physical and athletic and technical skill to be a multiple time state champ...but had the mental capacity of a nat...aka, no state titles...couldn't win the big matches...mentally folded.

 

I had the physical, athletic and technical skills to be a one time sectional qualifier.  

[GoNotQuietly 1,175]

How can you type all that without Jordan Burroughs, who has more clutch in his pinky toe than the rest of us have collectively?

[gowrestle 689]

It is called mental toughness. It is really simple to see who has it and who doesn't, but really difficult to teach yourself to be mentally tough if you aren't naturally.

 

I had the physical and athletic and technical skill to be a multiple time state champ...but had the mental capacity of a nat...aka, no state titles...couldn't win the big matches...mentally folded.

Sometimes mental toughness comes later.

[TobusRex 2,108]

How can you type all that without Jordan Burroughs, who has more clutch in his pinky toe than the rest of us have collectively?

 

I've got belly lint that weighs more than Jordan Burroughs.

[BigTenFanboy 1,790]

I've got belly lint that weighs more than Jordan Burroughs.

That's an awful lot of belly lint you got going on there. May want to go get that checked out by a doc.

[denger 363]

You can be atheist and believe in yourself.  In fact, atheists tend to believe in themselves over all else.

 

Yeah, I get that. I am one after all. 

Why don't we ever hear a champ say, "Glory be to Me. I've done it all to serve Myself... My opponent was formidable, but at the end of the day it was My will that prevailed... The more glory I give to Myself, the more blessings fall upon Me... It's for My own glory. I gave Myself these talents, so I put them in the spotlight to glorify Myself... I compete for Myself primarily and everything else is secondary..."???

[JHRoseWrestling 187]

Man this is a weird thread. An insightful yet borderline incoherent OP, followed by a mix of thoughtful responses and nonsense.

 

I hope this never ends.

[TBar1977 4,532]

I read somewhere that the thing modern day athiests fear most isn't religious persons, it is the fear that they will end up being wrong.

Edited July 12, 2018 by TBar1977

[denger 363]

I read somewhere that the thing modern day athiests fear most isn't religious persons, it is the fear that they will end up being wrong.

 

Nope. It's people that we're afraid of - especially the ones who have convinced themselves that their will is God's will.