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The Wall Street Journal today has a short piece that wonders why Jordan would have encouraged his relatives to attend tOSU if he thought it was a den of "abuse".

 

The more interesting part of the article notes that the law firm (Perkins Cole) hired by tOSU to investigate the allegations against the doctor is the same law firm that facilitated the payment from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign to the group that assembled the discredited "Trump" dossier that was used in seeking the improper surveillance warrants.

 

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/perkins_coie_hired_company_that_compiled_trump_dossier_on_behalf_of_clinton/

 

Unlikely that that particular firm is going to do anything other than attempt to inflct some primary or collateral damage on Jordan.

Keep in mind Perkins Coie is just the firm that tOSU is using for their internal investigation, and so far is not involved in any lawsuits.

 

Also keep in mind that this investigation has been going on since April, but Jordan’s name only came up recently (and not through them). They’ve also interviewed over 200 people across 14 different sports, so I don’t think it’s fair to say they are targeting Jordan.

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We'll see when the final report is issued.  Of course, they (Perkins Cole) don't have to do any dirty work on Jordan directly.  They can use the journalistic establishment to do that.

 

In any case, I think the point to be made is that the law firm doing the official investigation for OSU is one that is likely holding a quite antagonistic posture toward the former national champ.

 

I'm planning to stay tuned. 

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We'll see when the final report is issued.  Of course, they (Perkins Cole) don't have to do any dirty work on Jordan directly.  They can use the journalistic establishment to do that.

 

In any case, I think the point to be made is that the law firm doing the official investigation for OSU is one that is likely holding a quite antagonistic posture toward the former national champ.

 

I'm planning to stay tuned. 

 

 

They should hire Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS to do a deep dive into this. Get Nellie and Bruce Orr involved too. Complete the loop entirely. 

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I do think Jordan is probably lying here, but I don't think the "he's a liar because he lied when he said Trump didn't lie" argument really holds much water.  If I was in a TV interview and asked if my boss or boss's boss or boss's boss's boss's boss or whatever lied, I sure as heck wouldn't say they lie either.

 

The problem of your observation is this: Jordan's boss is not Donald Trump. Jordan's bosses are the constituents of his congressional district.

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According to one report I read earlier (sorry can’t find it now to post) Ol’ Mikey D had already went to OSU requesting a settlement talk (in which they sent him away) a month or two before he started pumping e-mails to Jordan to be with him or against him. Again this is not the guy anyone needs leading the victims movement, he’s only looking out for his bottom line reguardless of how true some of these abuse alligations could be.

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According to one report I read earlier (sorry can’t find it now to post) Ol’ Mikey D had already went to OSU requesting a settlement talk (in which they sent him away) a month or two before he started pumping e-mails to Jordan to be with him or against him. Again this is not the guy anyone needs leading the victims movement, he’s only looking out for his bottom line reguardless of how true some of these abuse alligations could be.

 

You could alternatively state that it doesn't matter what DiSabato's motivations are if the allegations are true, which I think is probably more morally correct. A wrong was done to many folks. Should they be denied justice because you question DiSabato's motivations?

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Deep State?  Conspiracy-minded people are usually the least-educated in society.  They look for simple and singular causes to explain complex phenomena.   They claim non-existent things or beings (ghosts, God, aliens, WMDs in Iraq) are real even when there is zero evidence for them.  On the other hand, when there is a ton of evidence for something (anthropocentric climate change, Presidential corruption, Russian interference in our elections) they tend to attack the messengers, create distractions, point the finger to people who are no longer or were never in charge, etc.   Classic fallacies and obfuscation.   

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/jim-jordan-says-deep-state-is-engineering-his-sex-abuse-scandal

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If you believe the magic fairy tale the libs are spinning there is no help for you.  The clock is ticking and the worst abuse of power by our government in my lifetime is slowly being exposed.  Election interference, hell the Clinton foundation alone proves our government is crooked as hell, or she'd be locked up already.  Republicans are just as bad I suppose, but impotent on top of that...since you wanted to go there.  Hey, anyone got a couple of pallets of cash I can get rid of in Iran.  Haha, destroying hard drives with a freaking hammer.  Get out of here with that bull****.  I think Trump is nuttier than a California democrat, but compared to the Clinton crime ring, he's a saint.

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Deep State?  Conspiracy-minded people are usually the least-educated in society.  They look for simple and singular causes to explain complex phenomena.   They claim non-existent things or beings (ghosts, God, aliens, WMDs in Iraq) are real even when there is zero evidence for them.  On the other hand, when there is a ton of evidence for something (anthropocentric climate change, Presidential corruption, Russian interference in our elections) they tend to attack the messengers, create distractions, point the finger to people who are no longer or were never in charge, etc.   Classic fallacies and obfuscation.   

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/jim-jordan-says-deep-state-is-engineering-his-sex-abuse-scandal

 

 

That's not clever.

And they have so many aspects you can mock. They're poor, they're dirty, they can't read or write, they think movies are real.

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If you believe the magic fairy tale the libs are spinning there is no help for you.  The clock is ticking and the worst abuse of power by our government in my lifetime is slowly being exposed.  Election interference, hell the Clinton foundation alone proves our government is crooked as hell, or she'd be locked up already.  Republicans are just as bad I suppose, but impotent on top of that...since you wanted to go there.  Hey, anyone got a couple of pallets of cash I can get rid of in Iran.  Haha, destroying hard drives with a freaking hammer.  Get out of here with that bull****.  I think Trump is nuttier than a California democrat, but compared to the Clinton crime ring, he's a saint.

I think you just proved my point.  You appear conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to change the conversation, focus, topic, or person when someone brings up corruption in the CURRENT (!) administration.  If you don't believe the Russians interfered with our elections when every single US intelligence source and practical every member of congress acknowledges that, then I guess you also must believe the moon is made of cheese.   Please tell me where you get your news or what kind of education you have.  

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No one, including the President denies they interfered, but even the CIA says it had no effect.  Tr

Trump keeps flip flopping, attacking the intelligent sources and media. He says what is convenient to him when it is convenient.  His anxiety and fear is that it might show he would have otherwise lost (and in fact he lost the popular vote, which he dislikes because he is patently a pathological narcissist)

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Proof?  Do you include the emails proving that Bernie was shafted by his own party?  What say ye to destroying subpoenaed information?  You think these issues are irrelevant, buy you actually say Trump denies Russian interference?  I've heard him admit it myself at least 3 times.  You may want to go check that diploma you seem to be holding over mine?  A little proof about collusion would go a long way, but interference from Russia is not quite the same thing now is it?  Attacking the media.  Are you saying the media has not treated him worse than any President in recorded history?  The pass they gave to Obama probably went right by you, but you believe the collusion fairy tale?  If there was any evidence, they would have leaked it out already.  

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“Beliefs are difficult to budge, because people don’t act like scientists, weighing up evidence in an even-handed way,” Matthew Hornsey, a psychologist at the University of Queensland, wrote in an email to Live Science. “When someone wants to believe something, then they act more like lawyers trying to prosecute what they already want to be true. And they cherry-pick the evidence to be able to do that.”


The real question, Hornsey said, is why people want to believe something that flies in the face of scientific evidence. In some cases, the reason can be political: Solving the problems created by climate change would mean standing in the way of the free market, something conservatives tend to oppose.


In other cases, people might have some other vested interest in their beliefs, Hornsey said. A smoker may not want to believe her or his habit is really going to cause lung cancer, because that would mean the person would have to quit. Social identity can also be an important driver of beliefs, Hornsey said. Studies of teens in Midwestern towns have found that these individuals typically go along with the crowd, he said, believing in evolution if the majority of their friends do and believing in creationism if that’s what the people around them believe.


“For someone living in a ‘creationist community,’ to express belief in evolution might be seen as a distancing act, as a signal that one was defiantly assuming an outsider status,” Hornsey said.



Changing minds

When someone’s self-image or social acceptance is at stake, badgering them with facts isn’t likely to change their minds, research has shown.


In fact, a 2010 study found that when people were shown incorrect information alongside a correction, the update failed to reverse their initial belief in the misinformation. Even worse, partisans who were motivated to believe the original incorrect information became even more firm in their belief in that information after reading a correction, the researchers found. For example, conservatives who were told that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before the Iraq war believed that claim more firmly after reading a correction.


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Deep State?  Conspiracy-minded people are usually the least-educated in society.  They look for simple and singular causes to explain complex phenomena.   They claim non-existent things or beings (ghosts, God, aliens, WMDs in Iraq) are real even when there is zero evidence for them.  On the other hand, when there is a ton of evidence for something (anthropocentric climate change, Presidential corruption, Russian interference in our elections) they tend to attack the messengers, create distractions, point the finger to people who are no longer or were never in charge, etc.   Classic fallacies and obfuscation.   

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/jim-jordan-says-deep-state-is-engineering-his-sex-abuse-scandal

 

LOL, so now Jordan is claiming the "Deep State" is out to get him.

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Proof?  Do you include the emails proving that Bernie was shafted by his own party?  What say ye to destroying subpoenaed information?  You think these issues are irrelevant, buy you actually say Trump denies Russian interference?  I've heard him admit it myself at least 3 times.  You may want to go check that diploma you seem to be holding over mine?  A little proof about collusion would go a long way, but interference from Russia is not quite the same thing now is it?  Attacking the media.  Are you saying the media has not treated him worse than any President in recorded history?  The pass they gave to Obama probably went right by you, but you believe the collusion fairy tale?  If there was any evidence, they would have leaked it out already.  

 

Trump has flip flopped on the matter of Russian interference multiple times, Peso. He's even flip flopped a time or two since coming back from Helsinki. I think it's safe to say he'll say anything convenient at the time.

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I think you just proved my point.  You appear conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to change the conversation, focus, topic, or person when someone brings up corruption in the CURRENT (!) administration.  If you don't believe the Russians interfered with our elections when every single US intelligence source and practical every member of congress acknowledges that, then I guess you also must believe the moon is made of cheese.   Please tell me where you get your news or what kind of education you have.  

 

Not sure what this has to do with the topic?  

 

Mods, I beg of you please just delete irrelevant posts and don't make the whole thread disappear again.

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Proof?  Do you include the emails proving that Bernie was shafted by his own party?  What say ye to destroying subpoenaed information?  You think these issues are irrelevant, buy you actually say Trump denies Russian interference?  I've heard him admit it myself at least 3 times.  You may want to go check that diploma you seem to be holding over mine?  A little proof about collusion would go a long way, but interference from Russia is not quite the same thing now is it?  Attacking the media.  Are you saying the media has not treated him worse than any President in recorded history?  The pass they gave to Obama probably went right by you, but you believe the collusion fairy tale?  If there was any evidence, they would have leaked it out already.  

I do believe Bernie was "shafted" as you say by his own party.  I'm not fan of Hillary.  The Dems are certainly not my party, though they are far better than the Republicans, who as Noam Chomsky has noted are the most dangerous organization on earth when you figure in their war on truth, their wars in fact, their ignorance of and opposition to climate change, their coddling of repressive governments, etc.  Hold your breath a while.  It may or may not be collusion. It could be obstruction however.  Meanwhile DT attacks our friends and allies constantly and sides with dictators and authoritarians.   If the right wing can't explain that behavior, well then they are spineless cowards.  it's fine to be a conservative, but it's now disgraceful to be a member of the GOP who supports DT.   Lots of smart conservatives are saying this and opposing the dangerous and anti-democratic DT: George Will, Steve Schmidt, Charles Krauthammer, Michael Steele, Joe Scarborough, Bill Kristol, etc.   They place country above party, as all intelligent people should.

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Way too many threads lately morph into being about everything someone believes regarding Trump. What happened to the good old days when so many ended up about PSU? :)

 

MFGA (make forums great again)!

 

 

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Deep State? Conspiracy-minded people are usually the least-educated in society. They look for simple and singular causes to explain complex phenomena. They claim non-existent things or beings (ghosts, God, aliens, WMDs in Iraq) are real even when there is zero evidence for them. On the other hand, when there is a ton of evidence for something (anthropocentric climate change, Presidential corruption, Russian interference in our elections) they tend to attack the messengers, create distractions, point the finger to people who are no longer or were never in charge, etc. Classic fallacies and obfuscation.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/jim-jordan-says-deep-state-is-engineering-his-sex-abuse-scandal

 

Spoken like a true academic. You guys are professionals in the world of propoganda and indoctrination.

 

You are a well known socialist sycophant and any clear thinking person can see this story for what it is ... despite your claims to the contrary.

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The FBI says the russians hacked DNC servers. Hardly a shock given how lax people like Debbie Wasserman Shultz were.

 

Before that everyone was up in arms over russian ads on facebook. Has anyone thought about those ads? They fall into two categories. One, ads that said the same things the two sides were already saying. Two, ads so stupid nobody would pay them any mind.

 

I remember when Obama ridiculed Romney saying the 1980's were calling, totally dismissing Russia as a foe. Nice to have the media and university faculty like dmm to push your party line.

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Noah Chomsky quoted here? Who is next, Che Guevarra and Fidel Castro?

 

Chomsky tries to hide behind self described labels like libertarian socialist, but he's still a communist at worst or, at best his ideas would lead to a communist state in the end.

 

Anyone who quotes him favorably should be viewed in the same light.

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The timing of this seems odd. Why did they wait 20 plus years to raise the issue? I don't believe the wrestlers are making up that they were abused by the doctor. But if they didn't file a formal complaint what do they expect? Good luck trying to do an ethics investigation on Jordan for something that happened between 20 and 30 years ago. I can't believe that Jordan would have sat idly by and not done anything if he knew about the abuse. It's a typical smear campaign. If he was the coach, from the mid 80s to mid 90s he would have been in his mid 20s to early 30s. Showering with the wrestlers doesn't seem out of line for that era.

 

Kids don't shower after P.E. like they used to....Too many nasty smelling "snowflakes". Showering after practice is a discussion in and of itself.

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