wrestlingnerd 2,779 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 Very hard to tell from those pics, but this is not a screw job. At worst, it is a close call. It could’ve easily been exposure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 the same way you can say it was not past 90 the difference is... I can tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 how do you know it wasnt said? Burroughs pretty much choked away a nice lead. 4 points! all day long! 4 point.jpg so which is it? oh, i forgot. you are just a troll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 how do you know it wasnt said? Burroughs pretty much choked away a nice lead. 4 points! all day long! 4 point.jpg but you are missing the point. even if the mat ref says two, was it confirmed? and how would they know. they aren't looking at the paddles while wrestling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 561 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 but you are missing the point. even if the mat ref says two, was it confirmed? and how would they know. they aren't looking at the paddles while wrestling.Back in the basement for you, your mom will let you know when lunch is ready. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 ah, another perfect example of a trolls post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 561 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) ah, another perfect example of a trolls post. lunchtime already? If you are a good little boy mommy might take you to walmart I wear that name as a badge of honor. Edited August 1, 2018 by tbert Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 yes i know. you have nothing of value to add. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 561 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 yes i know. you have nothing of value to add. Except proof ... 4 points!!!! Chamizo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealOne9050 267 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 This one was a screwjob. 1 tbert reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
straggler 65 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 The perennial issue with this style of wrestling is that the scoring criteria can be very subjective. In a match between well matched opponents, whether an official is prone to put one of the competitors on the shot clock or how a 50/50 call is made will determine the match. I always go back to it, but did Burroughs deserve 4 points on a throw that Dake initiated some years back? Or 4 points late in the second match at the most recent trials which he was awarded on a takedown? Maybe, maybe not.Did Chamizo score 4 here? Beats me. Bottom line is he got it. 1 tbert reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 This one was a screwjob. is the screwjob the missed stepout at the very end? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 This one was a screwjob. the thing i can't understand is how burroughs hasn't started to counter this... at 4:40.. chamizo turns in after being takendown. the same thing he did to JB. should be easy to expose him at that point. instead chamizo is scoring... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,086 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) its the all too human habit of taking a tiny little mental break after you score... But yeah I agree you'd think the fact that Chamizo threatens a switch every time would backfire harder, but yeah i guess thats what makes him good. Edited August 1, 2018 by hammerlockthree 1 GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,779 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 That Chamizo move must be hard as hell to stop. I’ve seen him do it constantly in competitor and in practice with very high level wrestlers and he almost always gets it and almost never gets scored on off of it. 1 TheRealOne9050 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted August 1, 2018 the thing i can't understand is how burroughs hasn't started to counter this... at 4:40.. chamizo turns in after being takendown. the same thing he did to JB. should be easy to expose him at that point. instead chamizo is scoring... Should be easy? Hmm... 1 tbert reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,014 Report post Posted August 2, 2018 I have no clue if it was 4, but the two refs on the mat had a damn good look at it, and the rest of their calls were pretty solid imho. In no way was this a screw job. Chamizo was amazing here for a couple reasons: Gave up 1 every time he should have given up 2 Gave up 2 every time he should have given up 4 Got an ice cold takedown real late when Burroughs needed to score to win (which he does 99% of the time) 3 Cletus_Tucker, wrestlingnerd and TheRealOne9050 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRealOne9050 267 Report post Posted August 2, 2018 is the screwjob the missed stepout at the very end? Yes, Ramonov stepped out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 413 Report post Posted August 3, 2018 Should be easy? Hmm... im just saying it flies in the face of freestyle teachings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-nigs23 90 Report post Posted August 6, 2018 I can't tell if JB was exposed or not from the video. More surprising to me was the fact that Chamizo took JB down clean twice in the second period. JB is a second period wrestler for sure and these takedowns weren't the Chamizo funk that he is known for or the types of scores he got in the first period of the match at BTS. It looks like a mental lapse on JBs part on the first Chamizo TD. Looks like he stopped wrestling for a moment and Frank took advantage of that. Gotta be engaged for the full six Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 547 Report post Posted August 6, 2018 Another thing with Chamizo, if he falls behind in the score he will go to his offense right away. Gotta be ready for his blitz. 1 GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 807 Report post Posted August 11, 2018 Dake would do well to learn from Chamizo's defensive, fluid, elusive style. It fits his strengths. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaliWrestler 48 Report post Posted August 11, 2018 Dake would do well to learn from Chamizo's defensive, fluid, elusive style. It fits his strengths. If only Dake was black he would have that swag!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 753 Report post Posted August 11, 2018 Crazy this thread is still actively being discussed Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buckxell 145 Report post Posted August 11, 2018 I've isolated and slowed down the sequence here, for anyone interested. https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/YoungOptimisticHornshark Thanks!! Way closer to 4 than I thought... but still don’t think it’s 4. The way Chamizo leaned into him after they hit the mat and the fact that Burroughs didn’t try to keep wrestling and belly down might’ve helped him get that call. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
